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Conversation: 498-003

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Start Date: Thursday, May 13, 1971 2:04 PM

End Date: Thursday, May 13, 1971 2:30 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Richardson, Elliot L.Duval, Merlin K. ("Morty") (Dr.)Ehrlichman, John D.Ziegler, Ronald L.MacGregor, ClarkWhite House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:51:00

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:16:29

498-003.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Elliot L. Richardson, Dr. Merlin K. ("Morty") Duval, John D. Ehrlichman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Clark MacGregor, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:04 am to 10:30 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 498-003
Date: May 13, 1971
Time: 10:04 am - 10:30 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Elliot L. Richardson, Dr. Merlin K. (“Monty”) DuVal, John D.
Ehrlichman, Ronald L. Ziegler and Clark MacGregor at 10:04 am; the White House
photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
[General conversation]
Ziegler and the photographers left at an unknown time before 10:30 am.
DuVal
-Dartmouth
-Role with administration
-Health care
-Position of doctors
-Nickname
-Jack Armstrong radio show in 1930's
-Background
-Father
-Travels
-Mexico (Nogales area)
-Wife
-Friends
Mexico
-People
US
-Blacks, Latin Americans
DuVal
-Role with administration
-Travel to Arizona
-Indians
-Los Angeles area
-Health care
-Predecessors
-Authority
-Robert A. Taft, Jr.
-Role
-American Medical Association [AMA]
-Taft
-Title and functions
-John W. Gardner
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Work
-Health care program
-Welfare
-Revenue sharing
-[Unintelligible name]
-Lewis H. Butler, Robert E. Patricelli
-White House staff
-Duke of Wellington's comment at Waterloo
-Staff needs, program needs
-National Institutes of Health [NIH], National Institute of Mental Health
[NIMH]
-Autonomy
-Narcotics
-Mary Lasker, James A. Shannon
-NIH, NIMH
-NIH director
-Dr. Robert Q. Marston
-Inter-departmental cooperation regarding narcotics
-Defense, Justice, and of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
-U.S. troops in Europe
-Robert H. Finch
-Cancer
-Research, publicity
-Marston
-Bureaucracy
Bureaucracy
-State Department, Foreign Service
-Changes
-Problems of new appointees
-Richardson
-Fears
Medical profession
-Health care system
-US
-Burma
-US
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Roger O. Egeberg, Richardson
-The President's plan in 1948
-Christian A. Herter
-Medical profession's response
-Morris Fishbein
-Russell Davenport
-Herter
-AMA
-Popular opinion
-Senators, Congressmen, and doctors
-Richardson's health care plan
-Political funding
Richardson's health care plan
-MacGregor’s work in congress
-Kennedy program
-W. Clement Stone's comments ten years ago
-Medical profession
-Views of administration
Presentation of gifts by the President
-Cufflinks, golf balls
Richardson, et al., left at 10:30 am