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Conversation: 498-002

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Start Date: Thursday, May 13, 1971 1:28 PM

End Date: Thursday, May 13, 1971 2:03 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Rogers, William P.Butterfield, Alexander P.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:25:10

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:51:00

498-002.mp3

NARA Description:

On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, William P. Rogers, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:28 am to 10:03 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 498-002
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
Date: May 13, 1971
Time: 9:28 am - 10:03 am
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Henry A. Kissinger and H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.
The recording began while the meeting was in progress. Discontinuities appear in the original
recording
Vietnam
-Michael J. (“Mike) Mansfield's proposal
-Unknown man's response
-Jacob K. Javits
-Calls to Kissinger
-Speech, travel plans
-Possible vote
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-"Establishment"
-David Rockefeller
[The President talked with William P. Rogers between 9:35 am and 9:41 am]
[Conversation No. 498-2A]
[See Conversation No. 3-41]
[End of telephone conversation]
-Rogers' forthcoming meeting with Mansfield
-Dean Rusk
-Health
-Support for the President
-Dean G. Acheson
US troops in Europe
-Administration Policy
-Senate's Role
-Charles H. Percy
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
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[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2014-025. Segment declassified on 04/12/2019. Archivist: DR]
[National Security]
[498-002-w001]
[Duration: 25s]
US troops in Europe
-Henry A. Kissinger’s message to Willy Brandt
-Issue public statement
-Willy Brandt’s support with socialists
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Mansfield Amendment
-Cyrus R. Vance's schedule
-Hubert H. Humphrey
-Edmund S. Muskie
-Muskie's views
-Vance's conversation with Kissinger
-Humphrey
-Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy's views
-"Establishment," Democrats
-The President's schedule
-Acheson
-Nicholas de B. Katzenbach
-A meeting of a hospital board
-Location
-Cabinet Room
-Rogers, Melvin R. Laird, Andrew J. Goodpaster
-Seating arrangements
-Rogers, Laird, Acheson, Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
Agnew's relations with Vance
The President's meeting
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Vance's schedule
-Clark M. Clifford
-W[illiam] Averell Harriman
-Views regarding the President's reelection compared with other attendees
-Health
-Relations with Acheson
US troops in Europe
-Muskie's views
-William A.K. (“Tony”) Lake
The President's views on issues during the 1960's
-North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
-"Establishment"
The President's policies
-Acheson's views
-Cambodia
-Intervention
Korea
-Acheson's Views
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-China
-Cambodia
Vietnam
-Laotian incursion (Lam Som)
-Public opinion
-Casualties
-Effectiveness
-Absence of spring offensive
-Military dispositions
-Instructions for Thomas H. Moorer
-Bombing plans
-Ellsworth F. Bunker
-Announcement of the President's Forthcoming Visit to USSR
-Negotiations
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Bombing
-The President’s instruction
-Timing
-Le Duan
-Visits to USSR and People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
Forthcoming Announcement
-Message to PRC
The President's Schedule
-Robert D. Murphy
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[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2014-025. Segment declassified on 04/24/2019. Archivist: DR]
[National Security]
[498-002-w003]
[Duration: 2m 34s]
Robert D. Murphy's report
-Two China solution
-Taiwan
-Agree provided they keep Security Council seat
-US can’t guarantee
-Potentially better for US to lose vote
-Peking
-Taiwan
US policy
-Breaking treaties with Taiwan to get closer to People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Deliver Taiwanese to communists
-US forces stationed in Taiwan
-Approximately 6,000
-Aid to Chiang Kai-shek
-Feasibility of Two China policy
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
United Nations [UN] vote
-Chiang Kai-shek
-Probability of getting kicked out of Two China
-Communist assembly
-Security Council seat
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Rogers
-The President's schedule
-Kissinger's forthcoming meeting with Gerard C. Smith
-Possible reaction to news
-The President's schedule
-Smith
-Rogers
-Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
[Unintelligible]
Kissinger left at 9:57 am
Polls
An unknown man
SST
-Humphrey
Welfare reform
-Press reports
-Washington Post
-Ronald L. Ziegler's possible comments
-The President's schedule
-John W. Gardner and head of Congress of Industrial Organization [CIO]
-Implications
-Popular opinion
-Public relations
-Staff's view
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
-The President's schedule
-Edward L. Morgan's view
-H.R. 1
-Popular opinion
-Public relations
-Ziegler, Herbert G. Klein, Agnew
SST
-House vote, May 12, 1971
-Gerald R. Ford
-Press coverage
House of Representatives
-Ford, Carl B. Albert
Connally
-Conversation with Ford
-Joseph C. Kraft's attacks
-Liberals' views
National economy
-Gross National Product [GNP] Statistics
-Release date
-Forthcoming briefings
-Paul W. McCracken
-Herbert Stein
-William L. Safire
-News magazines
-U.S. News & World Report
-Status of inventories
Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 10:02 am
[Unintelligible]
The President's schedule
-Roger E. Johnson
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
Butterfield left at an unknown time before 10:03 am
-Florida trip
-Weather
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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 05/23/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
[Personal Returnable]
[498-002-w004]
[Duration: 22s]
Manolo Sanchez’s schedule
-Testifying
-Florida
-Divorce
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The President's schedule
-Arrangements for Florida trip
Haldeman left at 10:03 am