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Start Date: 13-Mar-1972 10:15 AM

End Date: 13-Mar-1972 12:01 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Butterfield, Alexander P.Bull, Stephen B.Ziegler, Ronald L.White House operatorNoyes, Croby S.Stuart, Constance M.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:53:47

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:38:41

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NARA Description:

On March 13, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, Stephen B. Bull, Ronald L. Ziegler, White House operator, Croby S. Noyes, Constance M. Stuart, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:15 am to 12:01 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 683-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 683-4

Date: March 13, 1972
Time: 10:15 am - 12:01 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Alexander P. Butterfield.

     Swearing-in ceremony
         -Marina von N. Whitman
               -Religion
                     -Bible
               -Father’s name

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 10:22 am.

     Whitman

     Busing
          -Draft
               -Timing

     William P. Rogers
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -William S. White column
                -The President’s forthcoming trip to the Soviet Union
          -Clark MacGregor
                -Kissinger’s meeting with the House Foreign Affairs Committee
                     -MacGregor’s dinner with Rogers
                           -State Department
                                 -Clement J. Zablocki
                                 -William S. Mailliard
                                 -Wayne L. Hays
                                       -Comments
                                 -Rogers’s forthcoming testimony before the committee
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                       Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                                      -Rogers’s call to Haldeman
                                           -Peter M. Flanigan
                                           -House of Representatives
                                           -Senate
                                           -Kissinger
                                           -MacGregor
           -Stewart J.O. Alsop
                -Newsweek article
                      -Rogers’s possible resignation
                            -Mao Tse-tung meeting with the President
                            -Chou En-lai meeting with Rogers
                            -Kissinger
                                 -Secretary of State
           -Kissinger
                -Previous conversation with Alsop
                -Meeting with Rowland Evans
                -Joseph C. Kraft
                -Walter W. Rostow
                -The President’s view
                -Evans’s talk with Kissinger
                      -Richard G. Kleindienst’s confirmation as Attorney General
                      -Possible Democratic attacks on Kissinger
                            -Secret diplomacy
                            -Kissinger’s talks with members of the Senate
                -Possible resignation
                      -Timing

Butterfield entered at 10:22 am.

     Whitman
         -Bible to use in swearing-in ceremony
         -Background
         -Caspar W. Weinberger
         -Ezra Solomon
         -Arnold R. Weber
         -Weinberger
         -Herbert Stein
               -Jewish identity
         -Solomon
         -Stein

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 11:10 am.
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                     Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)


    Kissinger
         -Possible resignation
              -Effect
              -Evans
         -Rogers’s call to Haldeman
              -MacGregor
              -Soviet trip
         -The President’s view
              -Secretary of State
              -Management skills
                     -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
         -Rogers
         -Robert J. McCloskey’s call to Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
         -Dwight L. Chapin
              -Protocol

    Rogers
        -The President’s view
             -White story
        -Soviet trip
             -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                    -Possible trip to the US
             -Aleksei N. Kosygin
                    -United Nations [UN] visit
                         -Possible meeting with the President in Glassboro, New Jersey
             -Brezhnev

    John N. Mitchell
         -Schedule
              -Possible trip to Florida
              -Daughter

    The President’s schedule
         -Florida
               -Easter


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                                     Tape Subject Log
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                                                                     Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

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          -Camp David
               -Timing
                     -The President’s forthcoming press conference
          -John B. Connally
               -Trip to Texas
                     -Timing


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                     -Texas
                           -Timing
                                -White House correspondents dinner
                                -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                                -Soviet trip
                                -White House photographers dinner
                                -American Society of Newspaper Editors [ASNE] dinner
          -Camp David
          -Gridiron dinner
          -Connally
          -Unknown person
          -Walter H. Annenberg
               -Palm Springs
                     -Weather
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

     -Florida
           -Connally
           -Mitchell’s schedule
                 -School
           -Timing
     -Camp David
           -Easter
     -Gridiron dinner
     -Press conference
     -California

Rogers
    -Kissinger
          Meetings with senators and congressmen
                -Zablocki
                -Hays
                -MacGregor
                     -Dinner
                           -Blair House
                           -Armed services representation
                           -Thomas E. (“Doc”) Morgan
                -J. William Fulbright
                     -John Sherman Cooper
    -Testimony
          -Kissinger
    -The President’s press conference
          -Nguyen Van Thieu’s possible resignation
    -Kissinger’s forthcoming meeting with Fulbright’s committee [Senate Foreign
          Relations Committee]
          -Blair House
    -Testimony
    -Kissinger’s meeting with Senate Foreign Relations Committee
          -Timing
    -Kissinger’s “secret activity”
    -Kissinger’s possible resignation
          -The President’s view
    -Alsop article
    -White
    -News summary
          -The President’s previous conversation with Ronald L. Ziegler
                -Martin Z. Agronsky’s show
                -Joseph C. Kraft column
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                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                   Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                  -George Putnam’s show
                       -Compared to Agronsky’s show

State Department
      -Leaks
           -Kissinger’s report
                -Cambodia
                      -State Department cables
                            -Lon Nol
                            -[Emory C. Swank]

Press
        -News summaries
        -Effect on the President’s approval rating
        -Television
        -Columns
        -Ziegler
             -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
        -The People’s Republic of China [PRC] trip
             -Clayton Fritchey
        -News stories
             -New Hampshire primary
             -Bombing of an airplane
             -Announcement of US-PRC communication channel
             -ITT
             -Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr. and Harrold G. Carswell
             -John D. Ehrlichman
             -Kissinger
             -Alsop column
                    -The President’s view
                         -Rogers
                         -Joseph W. Alsop
                               -Stewart Alsop
                         -Kissinger
                         -State Department

The President’s schedule
     -Gridiron dinner
          -Herbert G. Klein
          -Ziegler
          -Seating list
          -Women
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                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                           Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                      -Liberation movement
                      -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                           -Constance M. Stuart
                      -Nancy Hanks
                      -Helen Bentley
                      -Unknown woman
                      -Mrs. Nixon
                      -Elinor I. (Judefind) Agnew
                      -Bentley
                      -PRC trip

The President left at an unknown time after 10:22 am.

[No conversation]

The President entered at an unknown time before 11:10 am.

     The President’s schedule
          -Gridiron dinner
               -Administration staff
                      -Virginia H. Knauer
                           -Gridiron Club
                      -Mixed reactions
               -Examples of Hillcrest
                      -The President’s attendance
               -Public reaction

     Press relations
           -Left and right wingers divided
                 -Evans
                       -Kissinger
                       -Foreign policy
                 -Kissinger
                       -Kraft
           -Ziegler
                 -The President’s trip to the PRC
                       -Hugh S. Sidey
                             -The President’s visit to the Great Wall of China
                       -Kraft
                       -William F. Buckley, Jr.
                       -Dallas News
                       -Peter Lisagor
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                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                   Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)


Rogers
    -Kissinger
          -Foreign affairs meeting
                -Postponement
                      -Morgan
          -Schedule
          -Senate and House
    -Congress
          -Anti-ballistic missiles [ABM]
          -Cambodia
          -Michael J. Mansfield’s resolutions
                -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
                -[Vietnam]
          -Kissinger
          -The President
    -Soviet trip
          -Rogers’s meeting with Haldeman
    -House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee
          -Morgan
          -Kissinger
          -MacGregor
          -Leaders
          -Armed Services Committee
          -Leaders of the Senate
          -[Thomas] Hale Boggs
          -Gerald R. Ford
          -Speaker of the House [Carl B. Albert]
          -Rogers
          -Kissinger
    -Kissinger’s backgrounder
          -Rogers’s reading of transcript
    -Briefing papers
    -Foreign policy
          -The President’s speech on Soviet television
                -Kissinger’s background
                      -Shanghai Communiqué
                           -Chinese audience
                      -The President’s appearance on Soviet television
                           -Soviet audience
          -The President’s memorandum
                -Haldeman
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                       Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                              -Kissinger’s backgrounders
                                   -Qualities of the President
                        -Rogers
             -MacGregor’s view
             -Soviet Trip
                  -Sightseeing by the President
                        -Tbilisi
                        -Mrs. Nixon
                        -Rogers
                  -Kraft

     Press
             -Kissinger’s view
                  -Kraft
                  -Evans and Robert D. Novak
             -Ziegler
             -Report on a Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] special
                  -Dan Rather
                  -[Arnold] Eric Sevareid
                        -Ziegler
                  -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
                        -Shanghai Communiqué
             -John F. Kennedy’s administration
                  -Rhetoric
             -Relationship with the present administration
                  -New York Times
             -PRC trip
                  -Significance

     PRC
             -Mrs. Nixon’s talk with Chou En-lai
                  -Pandas
                       -Washington National Zoo
                             -Environment
                             -Previous animals given as state gifts
                             -Musk oxen
                             -Director [Theodore H. Reed]

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:22 am.

     The President’s schedule
          -Ziegler
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                     Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                 -Meeting with the President

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:10 am.

     Pandas
          -Washington National Zoo
              -Smithsonian Institution
              -National Park Service
              -San Diego
              -St. Louis
              -Bronx

Ziegler entered at 11:10 am.

     Current press briefing
          -Gerald L. Warren
          -News story
                -Washington National Zoo announcement
                      -Pandas
                            -Mrs. Nixon
                            -Selection process
                            -Other zoos
                            -Gift to the nation
                            -Environment of Washington, DC
                            -Timing of announcement
                            -Washington Star editorial
                            -Musk oxen
                                  -Reed

Ziegler left at 11:12 am.

           -Morning press briefing
               -Haldeman’s view
                     -Panda story
                           -Washington Star
                                 -Washington Post
                                 -Crosby S. Noyes
                                 -Newbold Noyes

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 11:12 am and
11:16 am.
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                    Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

[Conversation No. 683-4A]

[See Conversation No. 21-49]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The Washington Star
          -Crosby Noyes
               -Columnist
          -Newbold Noyes
               -Editor
          -Crosby Noyes and Smith Hempstone, Jr.
               -Compared to Los Angeles Time

     Kissinger
          -Schedule
               -Forthcoming trip to Acapulco
                    -New York

Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 11:12 am

     Pandas
          -Washington National Zoo

Ziegler left at an unknown time before 11:16 am.

     Pandas
          -Chinese host explanation
               -Mating habits
               -Food
                    -Bamboo and sugar cane

     Rogers
         -Kissinger

The President talked with Crosby Noyes between 11:16 am and 11:21 am.

[Conversation No. 683-4B]

[See Conversation No. 21-50]

[End of telephone conversation]
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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                                                                    Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)


     Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawal

     Pandas
          -Crosby Noyes
                -Washington Star
          -Mating habits
          -Chicago
          -Quantity outside China
                -London
          -Life span
                -Compared to bears, dogs, cats and horses
          -Mrs. Nixon’s role
                -Haldeman’s forthcoming call to Stuart

Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 11:21 am and
11:25 am.

[Conversation No. 683-4C]

[See Conversation No. 21-51]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Pandas
          -Mrs. Nixon’s role

     Rogers and Kissinger
         -MacGregor

Bull [?] entered and left at an unknown time before 11:21 am.

     Request for MacGregor to some to the Oval Office
         -Dinner
                -Leaders

Haldeman talked with Stuart between 11:21 am and 11:25 am.

[Conversation No. 683-4D]

[See Conversation No. 21-52]
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                   Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)


Bull [?] entered at and left at an unknown time before 11:25 am.

     MacGregor’s schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

     MacGregor’s schedule

     Kissinger and Rogers
          -MacGregor
                -Dinner

Kissinger entered at 11:25 am.

     PRC
           -Arthur K. Watson
                -Meeting with the Chinese
                      -Press
                -Two forthcoming ambassadorial meetings
                -British recognition
                -Peter G. Peterson and Flanigan
                      -Meeting with Kissinger

     Cambodia
         -Lon Nol
               -Llewellyn E. (“Tommy”) Thompson, Jr.
               -News summary
                    -US embassy cables
                          -Leaks
                                -State Department
                          -Emory C. Swank
                          -Jack N. Anderson
                          -Norodom Sihanouk [?]
                          -Thompson
         -State Department
               -Separate negotiations
               -Sihanoukville
               -Lon Nol
               -Marshall Green
               -Lon Nol
               -Leaks
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                 Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                  -Evans

PRC
        -Taiwan, Republic of China
             -Washington Daily News
                  -Taiwanese independence movement
                       -Chiang Kai-Shek
                       -Chinese
                       -Japanese
                       -Kissinger’s view
                       -New York Times editorial
                       -State Department papers
                             -Rogers
                                   -Shanghai Communiqué
                       -US Support

Soviet trip
     -Flanigan and Peterson
            -Meeting with Kissinger
                -Haldeman
                -Trade
                      -Commerce Department
                      -Rogers
                      -Connally
                           -Flanigan

Kissinger’s schedule
     -Acapulco

Busing
     -Statement
           -Leonard Garment
           -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
     -Domestic policy statements compared to foreign policy statements
     -Chicago
           -Blacks
     -David Rockefeller
           -Call to Kissinger

Press
        -PRC trip coverage
            -Kissinger’s schedule
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                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Aug-01)
                                                               Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                -New York
          -News summary
          -ITT
     -Announcements
          -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
          -Soviet summit
          -PRC summit
          -Berlin
          -Biological weapons
     -The PRC trip
          -Television
                -Rockefeller
                     -Kissinger’s dinner at Cote Basque Restaurant
                           -Unknown woman
                           -Head of programming, American Broadcasting Company
                                  [ABC]
                                 -Comments
                                 -Wife
                           -People in restaurant
                           -Rockefeller
                           -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                           -Vice President of National Broadcasting Company [NBC],
                                 [Herbert S. Schlosser]
     -News summary
          -Columns
          -Agronsky’s show
     -The PRC trip
          -Sidey
                -The President
                     -Notes
                -Chou En-lai
                     -Kissinger
     -Stewart Alsop column
          -Rogers
          -Kissinger’s previous telephone conversation with Alsop
                -Secretary of State
     -Ziegler
          -Kraft
          -Stewart Alsop
                -Impact of columns

Kissinger
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                       Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

           -Testimony
                 -Meetings with members of the House of Representatives and the Senate
                      -MacGregor
                      -Morgan
                      -State Department
                      -Senate
                            -Hugh Scott and Mansfield
                                 -Senate Foreign Relations Committee
                      -John C. Stennis
                      -Fulbright
                      -Ford
                      -Albert
                      -Boggs
                 -Rogers’s testimony
                 -Motive
           -Senate Foreign Relations Committee
                 -Number of meetings
           -Armed Services Committee
           -Dean Rusk
           -Senate
                 -Rogers
                      -Previous briefing
           -Fulbright
           -Rogers’s testimony
           -MacGregor

Kissinger left at 11:44 am.

     Kissinger
          -The President’s view
          -Rogers

     State Department
           -Soviet trip
                -Planning
                -Haldeman’s call to Rogers
                       -McCloskey’s call

     ITT case
          -Columnists
               -Richard G. Kleindienst
               -Newsweek and Time
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Aug-01)
                                                                         Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

         -Dita D. Beard
               -Cleared to testify
         -Ehrlichman
         -Edmund S. Muskie
               -Finance issue
                    -Maurice H. Stans
                          -Talk with Mitchell
                                 -Contributions
                                      -Reporting
                                      -Mailing
                                      -Hubert H. Humphrey
                                      -Private committee for the reelection of the President
                                      -According to the law


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    Campaign contributions
        -Mitchell
             -Stans
        -Reporting
             -Timing
             -Public relations people
                   -Stans
                   -Ziegler
        -Muskie’s reporting schedule
        -Stans
        -Reporting
             -Statement
                   -William L. Safire
                   -Stans
                   -Consistency
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Aug-01)
                                                           Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

                    -Mitchell

    ITT case
         -Marlow W. Cook
              -Executive session
                    -James O. Eastland
         -Beard testimony


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    Campaign contributions
        -Reporting


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    Kissinger
         -Schedule
         -MacGregor
         -Relationship with the State Department
              -Rogers
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Aug-01)
                                                              Conv. No. 683-4 (cont.)

          -Meeting
               -Morgan
          -Rogers’s testimony
          -Hays
          -Rogers
               -MacGregor’s dinner

     MacGregor
         -Dinners
              -Democrats
              -Press
              -Social occasions
              -Compared to Gridiron dinner

     Campaign contributions
         -Mitchell
         -Favors
         -Reporting
         -Democrats

     The President’s schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with Ronald S. Berman
               -National Endowment for the Humanities [NEH]
               -Haldeman’s view

     White House staff
          -Efforts
               -News summary
                    -Balance needed
               -Kissinger

Haldeman left at 12:01 pm.