Conversation No. 631-008
Date: December 7, 1971
Time: 5:05 pm - 6:16 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan and John D. Ehrlichman.
United Nations [UN]
-Ambassador
-India/Pakistan
-Israel
India–Pakistan
-War
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India–Pakistan
-War
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan’s opinion
-The President’s opinion on Indian desire for war
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India–Pakistan
-War
-Withdrawal
-Agha Muhammad Yahya Khan
-Talks with East Pakistani leader
-Location
-Calcutta
-Indira Gandhi
-Trip
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India–Pakistan
-War
-Destruction of ships
-East Pakistan
-West Pakistan
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India–Pakistan
-War
-East Pakistan
-Refugees
-Military operations
-Possible duration
-Cleanup in East
-Duration
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-UN
-Indian elections [?]
-East Pakistan
-Partition
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India–Pakistan
-War
-Movement of forces into West Pakistan
-East Pakistan
-Bengal
-Ability of Indians to conquer West Pakistan
-Possible length of war
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Pressure on West Pakistan
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United Nations [UN]
-George G.W. Bush
-Praise from Moynihan
-Unknown Stalinist
-PRC representatives
-[Forename unknown] Jackson [?]
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Moynihan’s schedule
-Secretary General [U Thant]
-Max Jacobson
-Agha Sadruddin Khan
-Maurice Strong
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-Canada
-Environment concerns
-Chances to become Secretary General
-Jacobson
-Background
-Jewish descent
-USSR
-Arabs
Arab-Israeli dispute
-Unknown person
-Background
-Saudi Arabia
Secretary General
-President’s view
-U Thant
-Possible asylum
-Burma
-Unable to return
-Bush
-Moynihan’s upcoming conversation with Bush
-Agha Sadruddin Khan
-Youth
-Friendly to the Administration
-Yahya Khan's brother
-Iranian passport
-Zanzibar
-Education
-Harvard University
-Qualifications
-Jacobson
-USSR
-Arabs
-Importance of selecting the Secretary General
-Type
-Strong
-Support from the President
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
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-USSR
-Sadruddin Khan
-Security council
-Refugee reports
Busing issue
-Politics
-Constitutional amendment
-Civil rights issue
-James S. Coleman
-Effects on children
-North compared to South
-Moynihan’s view
-Civil rights movement
-Consequences
-Possible damage to race relations
-William H. Rehnquist
-Constitutional amendment
-Possible perception by Blacks
-Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education
-January 1969
-State of the nation
-Decline in confidence
-Whites
-Majority
-Degree of wellness individually
-Discouragement over the future
-Large percentage believe country is “worse off”
-Studies
-Brown decision
-President’s accomplishments
-Integration
-Supreme Court
-Dual school systems in the South after Brown decision
-Percentage
-Percentage during the Nixon Administration
-North
-Dual school system
-Non-existent
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-Ethnic community schools
-Neutral
-Ethnic pockets in the North
-Court decisions
-Learning about the education process
-Courts are usually proven wrong
-Brown decision
-Difficult to prove in court
-President’s message to Congress on education, March 1970
-Style of messages
-Timing
-Cambodia
-Congressional action
-Moynihan’s previous telephone conversation with John W. Gardner
-Dual school system
-National requirements
-Schools' performance
-Lower class students
-More choice
-Expenditures
-South
-National Institute of Education [NIE]
-Education bill
-Progress
-Possible results
-Dual school system
-Possible elimination
Particular methods tried
-New York Times
-H.L. Mencken quote
-Race relations
-Hostility in schools
-Elementary and secondary
-Blacks
-Jews
-Local control
-New York City
-Tax brackets
-John V. Lindsay
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-Re-election chances
-Public schools
-Parochial schools
-Financing
-Domestic Council
-British
-Dutch
-French
-Canadians
-Australians
-Consequences
-Possible Constitutional amendment
-End of the dual school system
-Alexander M. Bickel paper
-John N. Mitchell
-New York Times
-Increase in elementary and secondary school population during the 1970s
-Teachers
-Increase
-President’s instructions
-Education bill
-Possible Congressional action
-Moynihan-Ehrlichman meeting
-Comparison to revenue-sharing
-Senate
-Tax bill
-Wilbur D. Mills
-Check off
-Bickel letter
-New era of education
-National Primary and Secondary School Educational Opportunities Act of 1972
-Busing and desegregation
-California and Michigan decision
-Compared to the President’s People’s Republic of China [PRC] initiative
-1967
-Neil H. McElroy Commission
-[Forename unknown] Serrano [sp?]
-Congressional action
-President’s instructions to Moynihan
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-Bickel letter
-New era
-Possible support from Blacks
-Race relations
-Potential speech from the President
-Leadership
-Reassurance
-Desegregation
-Progress since 1969
-Dual school system
-Congress
-McElroy Commission
-Duration
-Moynihan's suggestions
-National institute [?]
-March 1970
-Emergency school aid
-Finances
-School vouchers
-Opportunity for children
-Experiments
-California
-Legal decision
-Florida
-Possible changes
-Property tax and value added tax
-Private schools
-Blacks
-Reassurance
-Symbolic gesture by the President
-John N. Mitchell quote
-Ideal school system
-Choices
-Legislation
-Bickel arguments
-Busing is symbolic
-New era of education
-Busing and desegregation
-Declare peace
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-Federal money
-Equality of education
-Inequality in educational opportunities
-California decision
-Serrano [sp?]
-Intelligence Quotient [IQ] scale
-Comparison
-Asians, Europeans, Blacks, and the Irish
-Unknown person
-Education bill
-Preamble
-Equality of educational opportunity
-Moynihan's suggestions
-Measure of outputs
-Property tax bill
-Education bill
-Special interests
-National Education Association [NEA]
-Private compared to public schools
-Moynihan's suggestions
-Moynihan's talk with Ehrlichman
-Bickel
-Brown decision
-How to present
-Brown brief
-Tax system comparison
-Change
-Idealistic overtones
-Honesty
-Parochial schools
-Segregation and busing
-New era
-Bringing people together
-Choices
-No inferior education
-Right of every American to a superior education
-Presidential leadership
-Generosity
-Dual school system
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-George C. Wallace
-Polls
-Articles
-Letters
-Moynihan
-Note to H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Jews
-Chinese
-Work ethic
-Richard Herrnstein
-The President reads from a letter
-Vice President [Spiro T. Agnew]
-Mitchell
-Herrnstein’s article
-Nathan Glazer
-Further discussion
-Allegation
-Coleman
Economy
-Taxes
-Unknown person
-Money supply
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Moynihan left at 6:08 pm.
Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] legislation
-Veto
-Votes
-Number
-Child care
-Gerald R. Ford
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Timing
-Veto
-Continuing resolution
-Conservatives
-Seeking credit
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Busing
-Alexander P. Butterfield
-Moynihan
-Position
-Compared to Bickel
-Idealism
-Comparison to Vietnam
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-Revenue sharing
-Tax bill
Ehrlichman left at 6:10 pm.