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Start Date: 16-Nov-1971 12:33 PM

End Date: 16-Nov-1971 1:59 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Woods, Rose MaryEisenhower, Julie NixonHaldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.White House operatorFlanigan, Peter M.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:31:58

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:55:24

619a.mp3

619b.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, White House operator, Peter M. Flanigan, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:33 pm to 1:59 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 619-028 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 619-28

Date: November 16, 1971
Time: 12:33 pm - 1:59 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods.


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     Julie Nixon Eisenhower
           -Appearance in Cleveland
                -Press report
           -Appearance before Republican women’s group
                -Harry S. Dent's conversation with Woods


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[The President talked with Julie Nixon Eisenhower at an unknown time between 12:33 and 12:40
pm]

[Conversation No. 619-28A]

[See Conversation No. 14-131; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]


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     Letter to the President from Larry Smith

     Memorandum to Woods from Alexander P. Butterfield
        -Invitations to White House
              -Sub-cabinet appointees
                    -The President and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                    -Emilio Garrastuzu Medici
                    -Church service

     Invitations to White House dinners
           -Administration officials
                 -Cabinet
           -Butterfield's memo
                 -Rocco C. Sicilano
           -Woods's efforts
           -The President's conversations
                 -Woods
           -Charles W. Colson and Butterfield
           -Administration officials
                 -Australian dinner
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               -Sub-cabinet appointees
          -Salute to Hollywood
               -Sue
               -List of celebrities
                      -Arthur G. (“Art”) Linkletter
                      -Pat Boone
                      -John Wayne
          -Administration officials
          -The President's list
          -Mitchell
          -John B. Connally

Haldeman entered at 12:40 pm.

                -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                -Forthcoming calls from Woods

     Connally
         -Gift for Woods
         -Visit to Bangkok
               -Maxine North [?]
         -Contrasted with William P. Rogers and Melvin R. Laird

Woods left at 12:46 pm.

     Butterfield
          -Memorandum to Woods
                 -Age
          -Conversation with the President
          -The President’s conversation with Woods
                 -Invitations to White House dinners
                       -Administration officials
          -Memo to Woods
                 -Colson
          -Woods
                 -List
          -Functions
                 -Memoranda to Woods
          -Conversations regarding White House invitations
                 -The President
                       -Medici dinner
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          -Haldeman
     -Possible memorandum from Haldeman

Invitations to White House dinners
      -Colson
            -Haldeman
      -Butterfield's memorandum to Woods
            -Butterfield’s conversation with the President
                  -Medici dinner
                  -Colson

Woods
    -Views regarding White House staff
    -Butterfield
    -Working relations with White House staff
         -Haldeman

Invitations to White House dinners
      -Administration officials

Administration officials
    -Emil (“Bus”) Mosbacher, Jr.
          -Tenure in office
          -People's Republic of China [PRC] visit
    -Donald H. Rumsfeld's view
    -John A. Volpe
          -Previous Cabinet meeting
                -Presentation

Congress
    -National security issues
         -Senate Democrats supporting the President on national security
               -Michael J. Mansfield
                     -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
               -Hatfield-McGovern vote
               -Mansfield
                     -Vietnam
                           -Withdrawal
               -Hugh Scott's motion on Cooper-Church Amendment
               -Stennis Amendment on foreign aid
               -Foreign Aid Bill
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                     -James O. Eastland, Sam J. Ervin, Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson, Gale W.
                           McGee, John C. Stennis and John J. Sparkman
                     -James B. Allen and Russell B. Long
                     -Harry F. Byrd, Jr.

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 12:46 pm.

     Malfunctioning dictaphone

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 1:08 pm.

     Senate Democrats supporting the President on national security
          -Byrd
          -Howard W. Cannon
          -Jackson
          -Handling
               -Southerners

     Jackson
          -Possible candidacy
               -Announcement
                     -Timing
          -Votes
          -The President's schedule

     Congress
         -House Democrats supporting the President on national security
              -Leaders
                   -Foreign areas
                   -Arms Services
                   -George H. Mahon
                   -The President's schedule
                        -Senators
                              -Summary


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[Duration: 49s ]
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     Maurice H. Stans
         -Tenure in office
               -Haldeman's conversation with Mitchell, November 15, 1971
                    -Trip to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
         -Peter G. Peterson
               -Possible conversations
                    -Haldeman and the President
               -George P. Shultz's view
               -The President's schedule

     John W. Rollins
          -The President's call, November 15, 1971
          -Possible calls
               -Mitchell and Haldeman


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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:46 pm.

     Unknown man
         -Meeting with Pierre-Paul Schweitzer
              -International Monetary Fund [IMF]
         -The President’s schedule
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Bull left at an unknown time before 1:08 pm.

     Schweitzer
         -Meeting with Kissinger
         -Connally


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     The President's schedule
          -Connally [?]
          -Ronald W. Reagan

     Robert C. Seamans, Jr.
         -Possible role with administration
                -Peter M. Flanigan
                -Undersecretary of Defense
                -Laird
                -Frederic V. Malek
                -Laird
                      -Defense Department
                           -Reorganization
                                -New post

     NATO
        -Flanigan
        -Walter N. Thayer
        -Mansfield D. Sprague

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:46 and 1:08
pm.
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[Conversation No. 619-28B]

[See Conversation No. 14-132]

[End of telephone conversation]

     NATO
        -George Champion, Jr.
        -Hoyt Ammidon

     The President's schedule
          -Robert J. Dole
          -Mitchell
          -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO]
               convention

The White House operator talked with the President at an unknown time between 12:46 pm and
1:08 pm.

[Conversation No. 619-28C]

[See Conversation No. 14-133]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -AFL-CIO convention
               -Timing
               -George Meany
                      -Criticism of the President's foreign policy
                            -PRC
                            -Fidel Castro
               -Florida
               -Meany

     Appointments
         -Flanigan and Malek
         -NATO
         -Laird's Under secretaries
         -Japan Ambassador
         -Federal Reserve Board [FRB]
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          -Paul W. McCracken's replacement
                -Shultz's role
          -Connally's role
                -NATO
                -Japan
                -Thayer
                -Ammidon
                -Sprague
                -Shultz
                     -Conversation with the President
                            -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
                -Arthur F. Burns
                     -Connally
                     -Views regarding unknown Texan
          -Herbert Stein

The President talked with Flanigan between 1:08 and 1:09 pm.

[Conversation No. 619-28D]

[See Conversation No. 14-134]

[End of telephone conversation]

     NATO
        -Henry A. Kissinger

The President talked with an unknown person [Kissinger ?] at an unknown time between 1:09
and 1:13 pm.

[Conversation No. 619-28E]

     Kissinger’s schedule
          -Return call

[End of telephone conversation]

     Congress
         -National issues
              Congressional Democrats supporting the President on national security
                    -Jackson
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                      -McGee
                      -Southerners
                      -Mansfield
                      -Carl B. Albert
                      -Mahon
                      -Kissinger's views
                      -The President's schedule
                            -Clark MacGregor
                                 -Connally

Kissinger entered at 1:13 pm.

     Appointments
         -The President's previous conversation with Flanigan
              -NATO
                    -John J. McCloy

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 1:13 and 1:17
pm.

[Conversation No. 619-28F]

[See Conversation No. 14-135]

[End of telephone conversation]

     McCloy
         -Possible role with Administration

     Appointments
         -Ammidon
              -Japan
              -Connally
              -New York Trust
         -Thayer
              -Connally
              -Flanigan
         -Walter J. Stoessel, Jr.
              -William P. Rogers's views
         -Sprague
         -Stoessel
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               -Volpe’s view
          -Graham A. Martin
               -Volpe's view

     Volpe
          -Cabinet report
          -Meeting with Prime Minister of Poland
               -Duration

     Donald McI. Kendall

     Frank J. Shakespeare

     Gen. Charles A.J.M. De Gaulle
          -Meeting with the President

     The President's schedule
          -Meetings
          -Shakespeare
          -Volpe

     Shakespeare
          -Performance in office

     Yitzhak Rabin
          -Meeting with Kissinger, November 16, 1971
               -Golda Meir's schedule
                    -Appeal for arms
                    -The President
                    -San Clemente

     Moshe Dayan's schedule
         -Rogers and Laird

The President left at an unknown time before 1:17 pm

     The President’s schedule
          -Gold Meir
               -[Hassan, King of Morocco] [Moulay] Hassan II
               -Kissinger and Rogers
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     The President's schedule
          -Medici
          -Azores

The President entered at an unknown time after 1:09 pm.

     Rogers and Laird
         -The President’s conversation with Connally
         -The President’s schedule
               -Ronald L. Ziegler
         -Volpe
         -Tenure in office
               -Forthcoming election

The President talked with Flanigan between 1:17 and 1:18 pm.

[Conversation No. 619-28G]

[See Conversation No. 14-136]

Kissinger and Haldeman conferred during the conversation.

     The President’s schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

     Kissinger's schedule

     Laird
             -Forthcoming conversation with Haldeman
             -Conversations with Kissinger
                  -New York Times story regarding Vietnam troop withdrawal
                       -Source

     Leaks
          -Kissinger's staff
          -Laird
          -State Department
          -Defense Department

     Laird and Rogers
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        -Phantoms
             -Dayan
                  -Possible Israeli negotiations with Egypt

Aid to Israel
     -The President's role
           -Phantoms
     -Rogers's possible role
     -The President's schedule
           -Meir
                -Phantoms
                -USSR
                      -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                      -Interim settlement
     -State Department
           -Phantoms

Laird
        -Forthcoming call from Haldeman
             -New York Times story regarding Vietnam troop withdrawal
                  -Defense Department
                       -Source

Cabinet
     -Rogers's views
          -John A. Scali
     -The President's treatment
     -Dwight D. Eisenhower's treatment
          -Meetings
          -Staff system
     -The President's schedule
          -Compared to Eisenhower’s
     -Eisenhower's schedule
          -Arthur E. Summerfield
          -John Foster Dulles

The President's schedule
     -Agnew
          -Eisenhower's schedule
                 -The President
          -Requests
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Agnew

The President's schedule
     -Jerry Persons
     -Sherman Adams

Agnew’s schedule
    -Kissinger

Reagan
    -Schedule
         -Kissinger
         -The President
    -Forthcoming conversation with Kissinger
         -Amchitka nuclear test
              -Mail
              -Supreme Court
              -Scientists
              -Press

Israel
      -Kissinger’s forthcoming talk with Rabin
           -The President's schedule
                 -Meir
                       -Dayan
                       -Domestic allies
                       -Interim settlement

PRC
      George H. W. Bush's forthcoming statement
            -New York
            -Rogers's calls to Kissinger
                 -The President
      -Statement on Vietnam
            -US troop withdrawal
                 -Deadline
            -Nguyen Van Thieu
      -Bush's forthcoming statement
            -Chou En-Lai
            -Rogers's view
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            -Television
            -Location
            -USSR
      -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation
            -Ambassador in Paris
      -Statement regarding USSR
      -Bush's forthcoming statement
      -Kissinger's schedule
            -PRC Ambassador in Paris
            -Le Duc Tho
      -Forthcoming announcement
            -PRC Ambassador
                 -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon ‘s schedule
      -The President’s schedule

Appointments
    -Deputy Secretary of Defense
         -John S. Foster, Jr.
         -Laird
         -Seamans
         -Stanley R. Resor
    -Laird's list

PRC
      -Statement regarding Vietnam
            -US response
                 -Rogers's views
      -Forthcoming trip
            -Rogers’s view
                 -Political risks
      -Statement regarding Vietnam
      -Bush
      -Views of other nations
            -Connally
                 -Thailand
            -United Nations [UN] speech of November 15, 1971
            -Rogers

State Department
      -Views regarding the President's forthcoming trips to the USSR and PRC
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PRC
      -Communiqué at end of the President's forthcoming trip
           -US defense commitments
                 -Rogers’s view
      -The President's speeches
           -Theme
                 -US differences with PRC
      -Communiqué at end of the President's forthcoming trip
           -Statement regarding Vietnam
           -Preparation of text
                 -Rogers
                 -Chou En-Lai and Mao Tse-Tung

Rogers's schedule
    -Forthcoming trip to the USSR
           -Haldeman
           -Advance trip

Kissinger's schedule
     -Forthcoming trip to the USSR
           -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                 -Communiqué

Rogers's schedule
    -USSR
           -Robert J. McCloskey
           -Possible result
                 -Negotiations
                       -Dobrynin
           -Letter

PRC
      -The President's forthcoming trip
           -Announcement
                 -Possible response
                       -Lin Piao and Army Chief of Staff
                       -USSR

Sadruddin Aga Khan
     -Conversation with the President
          -Harvard University
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               -India-Pakistan


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    INDIA


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              -Role with UN
         -Background
         -Conversation with the President
              -India-Pakistan
                    -Tone of the President’s comments
                    -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                    -Trial of Mujibur Rahman
                          -Possible US action

    India-Pakistan
          -Kissinger's conversation with Pakistani foreign secretary
               -Agha Muhommad Yahya khan
                     -Possible letter from the President
          -Mujibur Rahman


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[National Security]
[Duration: 1m 57s ]
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    INDIA


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    Aga Khan
        -Conversation with the President
             -Refugees
                   -US aid
        -Role with UN

    Vietnam
         -The President's previous meeting with congressmen
              -Mansfield compromise
                     -Effect on negotiations
                          -Prisoners of war [POWs]
         -Gerald R. Ford and Leslie C. Arends
         -Liberals' views
         -North Vietnamese military dispositions
              -South Vietnam
              -Cambodia
              -Laos
         -USSR and PRC aid
              -North Vietnam
         -Liberals
              -Administration's possible response
              -Mansfield Amendment
                     -Scott
                     -Ford and Arends
                     -Scott
         -Southern Democrats
              -Stennis

    Laird
            -Presidency
            -Views on national security policy
                  -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                  -Vietnam
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                -Conversation with Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak
                    -Vietnamization

Vietnam
     -The President's policy
          -President’s 1969 conversation with Kissinger
          -Laird's role
          -Statements during 1968 campaign
                -Nomination acceptance speech
                      -Miami
                -Korea
                      -US arms and aid
     -Mary McGrory's views
          -Cambodia
          -Nixon Doctrine
     -The President's policy
          -Troop withdrawals
                -Anti-war demonstrations
                      -Liberals
                -Laird
                      -March 1969
                -Peace proposals

Cabinet
     -Laird and Rogers
     -Connally
     -Leaks
          -Lyndon B. Johnson
          -The President's decision-making procedures

Vietnam
     -Troop withdrawal
          -Rogers's statement to Henry Brandon
               -Laird
     -Leak
          -Negotiations

The President's schedule
     -Meir
          -Possible trip to the US
          -Rogers
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                        -Dayan

Kissinger left and an unknown man entered at 1:58 pm.

     Manolo Sanchez
         -Schedule

     Cuff links

The President et al., left at 1:59 pm.