Conversation: 617-012
Prev: 617-011 Next: 617-013Start Date: Friday, November 12, 1971 7:26 PM
End Date: Friday, November 12, 1971 8:36 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.; Weinberger, Caspar W. ("Cap"); Bull, Stephen B.; MacGregor, Clark; Timmons, William E.; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Mansfield, Michael J. ("Mike"); Scott, Hugh; Ford, Gerald R.; Young, Milton R.; Ellender, Allen J.; Mahon, George H.; Bow, Frank T.; [Unknown person(s)]Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:02:13
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:11:06
NARA Description:
On November 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, George P. Shultz, Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger, Stephen B. Bull, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Ronald L. Ziegler, Michael J. ("Mike") Mansfield, Hugh Scott, Gerald R. Ford, Milton R. Young, Allen J. Ellender, George H. Mahon, Frank T. Bow, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 2:26 pm and 3:36 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 617-012 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 617-12
Date: November 15, 1971
Time: 2:26 pm - unknown before 3:36 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with George P. Shultz and Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger.
Budget
-Continuing resolution
-Affected agencies
-Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
-Foreign aid
-Defense
-District of Columbia
-Public services
-Weinberger's conversation with Walter E. Washington
-Welfare
-The President's possible action
-Pending authorization
-Foreign aid
-OEO
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-Precedent with Post Office
-Allen J. Ellender's strategy
-Conversation with Shultz, November 15, 1971
-Foreign aid
-OEO
-Anti-Deficiency Act
-John N. Mitchell's forthcoming statement
-Provisions
-Employment
-Vietnam
-Washington, DC
-Crime
-Voluntarism
-Supplies
-Effects
-Vietnam, Cambodia and Washington, DC
-Voluntarism
-Ellender
-Motives
-Appropriations Committee
-Michael J. Mansfield
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:26 pm.
The President's schedule
-[Thomas] Hale Boggs
-Carl B. Albert
Bull left at an unknown time before 2:36 pm.
The President's schedule
-Congressmen
-Clark MacGregor and William E. Timmons
-Chairs
MacGregor, Timmons, Ronald L. Ziegler, Mansfield, Hugh Scott, Gerald R. Ford, Ellender,
Milton R. Young, George H. Mahon and Frank T. Bow entered at 2:36 pm.
[General conversation]
Seating arrangement
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Conv. No. 617-12 (cont.)
Cabinet room
-Cost of Living Council [COLC]
-Pay Board and Price Commission
Budget
-Continuing resolution
-Ellender's position
-Mansfield
-Bow and Mahon
-The President's possible action
-Anti-Deficiency Act
-Affected agencies and services
-OEO
-Washington, DC
-Defense
-Foreign aid
-Mitchell
-Precedents
-Authorizations
-Authorizations
-Precedents
-Post Office
-Mitchell
-Authorizations
-Congress
-Efforts
-Schedule
-Legality
-OEO
-Department of Heath, Education, and Welfare [HEW] bill
-Affected agencies
-Export-Import Bank
-Agency for International Development [AID]
-Office of Refugee Migration
-Federal pay days
-Ellender's strategy
-Appropriation bills
-Signing
-Timing
-Legality
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Conv. No. 617-12 (cont.)
-OEO
-Precedents
-Status
-Legality
-Precedents
-Economic bill
-J. William Fulbright's proposal
-Pay status of affected agencies
-OEO
-Clerk of Senate Appropriations Committee
-Rules regarding appropriations
-Authorizations
-House Appropriations Committee
-Legality
-OEO
-HEW
-Philosophy
-Provisions
-OEO
-Legislative treatment
-HEW
-Headstart
-Effect
-Edward P. Boland Amendment
-OEO
-Child development legislation
-Albert
-Responsibility of appropriations committees
-The President’s comments
-Foreign aid
-Legislative status
-Ford's conversations, November 15, 1971
-Thomas E. (“Doc”) Morgan and William S. Mailliard
-Possible House action
-Rules Committee
-Lewis Deschler
-Possible conference
-Proposal
-Provisions
-Foreign Assistance Act of 1961
-Foreign Military Sales Act
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Conv. No. 617-12 (cont.)
-Effect
-Authorization
-Contracts
-Fulbright
-Office of Management and Budget [OMB] apportionment
-Morgan
-Ellender's actions
-Possible political impact
-Boggs's statement
-Morgan
-Congress schedule
-Albert
-House Committee on Banking and Currency
-Economic Stabilization Act
-Wright Patman
-Military procurement bill
-Foreign aid bill
-Authorization
-Senate action
-State Department
-Foreign aid
-Fulbright Amendment
-Congressional rules
-Bow’s testimony
-John Taber's previous performance as chairman of House Appropriations
Committee
-Authorization
-Defense Department
Congress' schedule
-Judicial confirmations
Oliver W. Holmes, Jr.
-Bequest
-Supreme Court history
Paul A. Freund and Charles Fairman
-Yale University
-Meeting with the President
Supreme Court
-Backlog
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Conv. No. 617-12 (cont.)
-Congress's schedule
-Judicial confirmations
Congress' schedule
-Adjournment
-Legislation
-Summary
-Senate compared to House
-Continuing resolution
-Democrat Whip's conversation with Boggs and Albert
Budget
-Continuing resolution
-Congress’ schedule
Congress’ schedule
-Thomas E. Dewey's campaign in 1948
-Philadelphia convention
-Continuing resolution
-The President's schedule
-Air Force One
-Boeing Aircraft Company
-Trip to Florida
[General conversation]
Unknown people left at an unknown time before 3:36 pm.
The President's schedule
-Trips to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] and People's Republic of China
[PRC
Budget
-Authorizations
[General conversation]
Executive-legislative showdowns
-Dewey's statement
-Harry S. Truman
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Conv. No. 617-12 (cont.)
Appropriations committees
-Ellender
Congress’s schedule
Unknown people left at an unknown time before 3:33 pm.
Earl L. Butz
Mahon reentered at an unknown time after 2:38 pm.
Vietnam
-Boland Amendment
-The President's previous troop withdrawal announcement
-Negotiations with North Vietnam
-Cooper-Church Amendment
-Effect
-Prisoners of war [POWs]
-US aid
-Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam
-US objectives
Timmons et al left at an unknown time before 3:33 pm.
Ellender
-Movies
The President's previous meeting with congressmen
-Budget
-Continuing resolution
-Possible action
-Timing
MacGregor left at an unknown time before 3:33 pm.