Conversation 578-004

TapeTape 578StartFriday, September 24, 1971 at 9:52 AMEndFriday, September 24, 1971 at 10:29 AMTape start time00:43:19Tape end time01:21:38ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Connally, John B.;  Burns, Arthur F.Recording deviceOval Office

On September 24, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John B. Connally, and Arthur F. Burns met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:52 am to 10:29 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 578-004 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 578-4

Date: September 24, 1971
Time: 9:52 am - 10:29 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     President's schedule
          -Forthcoming Florida trip
          -Washington Senators game
                 -President's attendance
                 -San Diego Padres
                       -C. Arnholt Smith
                       -Possible move

John B. Connally and Arthur F. Burns entered and Haldeman left at 9:53 am.

     Reception by the President
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                                                                   Conv. No. 578-4 (cont.)


     Pierre-Paul Schweitzer
           -Possible invitation to reception
                -Connally
           -Impact
           -Credentials
                -Travel
                -Meetings with foreign leaders
                -Programs
           -Possible meeting with President
                -Result
                -Usefulness to administration
                       -Intermediary
                       -Initiative
                              -Depreciation of money
                                   -Percentage
                                         -Japan
                -Friend

US international economic policy
     -Reason for meeting between President, Connally and Burns
           -Cabinet members
           -Need for unified answers
                 -Strategy
                 -Europeans' attention
                       -Conflicting position for US
                            -Assistant Secretary, Secretary Maurice H. Stans, David M.
                                  Kennedy
                       -European negotiating strategy compared to US negotiating strategy
     -Negotiations
           -President's, Connally's and Burns's role
                 -United position
           -William P. Rogers
           -Nathaniel Samuels
           -Peter G. Peterson
     -International Monetary Fund [IMF]
           -Possible speech by the President
                 -Conversation between the President and Connally
                       -Preparation
                       -US position
                 -Connally speech
                 -Reception by President
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           -View of Peterson group, Paul A. Volcker group, State Department,
                  Connally, Burns
      -Reception by President
           -Informal remarks
                  -Time length
                  -Questions at Detroit Economic Club
      -Connally speech
      -US position
           -Strategy
                  -Fixed exchange systems
                        -Option for future
           -Connally's speech
                  -Offering of a plan
                  -Discussion
           -Solutions
           -Avoid negativity
-Issues
      -Import surcharge
      -Gold
           -Position of Connally and Burns
-Changing the price of gold
      -Congress's approval
           -Protectionism
                  -Domestic climate of opinion
           -Difficulties
                  -Possible risks
-Import surcharge
      -Possible removal
           -Restrictions
           -Free-floating currency
                  -Transitional period
                  -Advantages for free market
      -Deputy Prime Ministers of economics
      -Group of Ten
           -Revaluation
      -Removal
           -Reciprocal action by Europeans
                  -Transition period
                  -Free floating currency
           -Reactions by foreign countries
                  -Risks
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                                                            Conv. No. 578-4 (cont.)


-Problems
     -Re-alignment
           -Amount
     -Surcharge
     -Changing price of gold
           -Reasons
     -Re-alignment
           -Yielding by individual countries
     -Transitional float
           -Changing price of gold
     -Removal of import surcharge
     -Re-alignment
           -Market determination
           -Country determination
                 -Japanese yen
                 -Canadian dollar
                 -German mark
                 -French franc
     -Transitional period
           -Reactions
                 -Risk involved
                       -Yen compared to the dollar
                            -Percent
                       -Control of float
                            -German mark
           -US position
                 -Changes in administration
     -Import surcharge
           -Removal
     -Free floating currency
     -Capital controls
           -Reactions in foreign market
           -Stopping compared to starting controls
     -European countries
           -Intelligence
                 -Relations with US
                 -Comparison with US
     -US proposal
           -European Finance Ministers' possible reaction
                 -Acceptance of conditions
                 -More conditions
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                            Tape Subject Log
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                                                          Conv. No. 578-4 (cont.)


                        -Quotas
                        -Tariffs
                        -Quotas
                              -Oil import problems
                              -Textiles
                              -Steel
                              -Agricultural commodities
           -European nations
-Gold price
     -William Proxmire's views
           -House of Representatives
                 -Henry S. Reuss
     -Capitol Hill
           -Reservations of price of gold
           -Debates
     -Increase of price
           -Amount of money
                 -Percentage
           -Rewards to producers, speculators
                 -South Africa
                 -Soviet Union
                 -France
     -Official price
           -Date
           -Current price
                 -Charge
                 -Date
                        -Impact
     -Bargaining position
-US interests
     -Price of gold
           -Economic significance
           -Political significance
           -European position
     -Need to de-emphasize
-US position
-Proposed solution
-Rogers
-Stans
     -Burns's role
           -United front
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                                                                    Conv. No. 578-4 (cont.)


                    -French
                    -Germany
                    -Japan
                    -Possible conversation with Burns or Connally


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    US international policy
         -Germany
               -Relationship with US
                     -Conversations with Burns
         -Europeans
               -Relationship with Japan
               -Henry A. Kissinger
                     -Willy Brandt
                          -Berlin
                     -Japan
                     -Conversation with Earl Of Cromer
                          -US policies toward Britain
                                 -South Africa
                                 -Rhodesia
                                 -Edward R.G. Heath
               -Conversation with Cromer
                     -Jordanian crisis
               -Great Britain's position
                     -Relations with US
                          -Common Market
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                                                            Conv. No. 578-4 (cont.)


-European Common Market
     -Great Britain
          -The President’s comments during 1969 trip to Europe
          -Economic aspect
          -Political future
                -Germany
                -France
                -Italy
          -Political responsibility
          -Position in Common Market
                -United trading unit
                       -Number of people
                -Political issue
     -US position
          -Importance
                -Relationship with Great Britain
                       -Economic and political considerations
                             -France
                                  -Gen. Charles A.J.M. De Gaulle
                                  -Georges J.R. Pompidou
                -Connally's conversation with Kissinger
          -Great Britain
          -France
          -Germany
          -Japanese
          -US position
                -Relationship of politics and economics
          -Time frame for Common Market
                -January 1973
                -France
                -Decision
          -Decision
                -International political considerations
                -US domestic political scene
                       -1972 elections
                             -Cabinet Room conversation
                             -Anti-foreigner attitude
                             -US interests
                             -US deal
                                  -Timing
                                  -Importance
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                                                              Conv. No. 578-4 (cont.)


     -Possible speech by President
           -Connally
           -President's remarks
                 -Reception
                       -Governors' attendance
           -President's knowledge
                 -Connally's knowledge
                 -Possible reactions by foreign economic ministers
                 -US domestic scene
                       -President's effectiveness in comparison to foreign economic
                             scene
                 -IMF
                       -Television coverage
                             -Type of impact
                                   -US domestic issues
     -Connally
     -Burns
     -President's appearance
           -Remarks
-Central Bankers of Group of 10
     -Dinner given by Burns
     -Private dinner
           -Burns's home
                 -Unknown person
     -Meetings with Burns
-Previous Cabinet meeting
     -Time factor
           -David N. Packard
           -World governed by reason
                 -Emotions
     -Foreign countries
           -Interests
           -Trade
           -Business pressures
           -Political problems
-Central Bankers' analysis
     -Recession
     -Japan
           -Recession
     -Germany
           -Recession
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                                                                  Conv. No. 578-4 (cont.)


           -Recession
                 -Inflation
           -International recession
                 -US role
           -Europe and Japan
                 -Inflation
                       -Comparison to US
           -US anti-inflation policy
                 -Type
                       -Comparison to other countries
                             -Report to President
                                  -Quadriad meeting
           -Report from Burns to President

     Connally's schedule
         -J. William Fulbright

     John Foster Dulles

Connally left at 10:27 am.

     Burns's schedule
          -White House dinner for Japanese
                -Haldeman's conversation with Burns
                -Rogers
                -Burns's attendance
                -Invitations
                      -State Department
                      -Japanese
                -Breakfast meetings
                      -Japanese

Burns left at 10:29 am.