Conversation 577-003

TapeTape 577StartMonday, September 20, 1971 at 12:45 PMEndMonday, September 20, 1971 at 1:30 PMTape start time00:19:26Tape end time01:17:22ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Mitchell, John N.;  Burns, Arthur F.;  Sanchez, Manolo;  Nixon, Richard M. (President);  Mitchell, John N.;  Burns, Arthur F.;  Sanchez, ManoloRecording deviceOval Office

On September 20, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, Arthur F. Burns, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:45 pm to 1:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 577-003 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 577-3

Date: September 20, 1971
Time: 12:45 pm - 1:30 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with John N. Mitchell; Arthur F. Burns entered at 12:45 pm while the
conversation is in progress.

[Conversation No. 577-3A]

[See Conversation No. 9-95]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Greetings

     Supreme Court resignation
          -John Harlan
                -Health
                      -Georgetown Hospital
          -Announcement
                -Date
                      -Speculation
          -Appointees
                -Number
                -Effect on Supreme Court
          -Justice Department
          -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                -Role in appointing Justices
          -Appointees
                -Congressman
                -Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr.
                -G. Harold Carswell
                -Richard H. Poff
                      -Credentials
                           -Harry F. Byrd, Sr.
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
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                                                                    Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


                            -Conservatism
                            -Practice of law
                            -Judiciary Committee
                                  -American Bar Association [ABA]

     International economics
           -Burns's European trip
                 -John B. Connally
           -US objectives
           -Europeans
                 -Currency re-alignment
                 -Convertibility of gold
                       -France
                       -Restoration of convertibility
                             -Results
                             -Significance in France
           -France
                 -Price of gold issue
                       -Reactions
           -Price of gold
                 -Burns's conversation with Connally
                       -US position
                             -Policies
                             -Tariffs

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:45 pm.

     Refreshments
          -coffee

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 1:30 pm.

     International economies
           -Price of gold
                 -Raising price
                       -Amount
                       -William Proxmire
                       -William V. Roth, Jr.
                             -Opposition
           -Congressional actions
                 -Price of gold
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                            Tape Subject Log
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                                                          Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


            -Increase
            -Attitude
            -Political and economic objection
                   -Political objection
                         -Rewards for countries
                               -South Africa
                               -Soviet Union
                               -France
-Price of gold
      -Comparison to earlier prices
            -Official price compared to market price
      -Action of raising price
            -Percentage points
                   -Inflation
-Future action
-Europe
-Japan
      -Subsidization of exports
            -Canada
      -Free trade
            -Relationship with Canada
-Great Britain
      -Political situation
      -Common market
-Germany
      -Relationship with the US
      -Question of future policy
-Forthcoming economic meetings
-International Monetary Fund [IMF] and Group of Ten
-Preparation
-Location
      -Washington
            -The President’s schedule
                   -Alaska
            -Forthcoming IMF meeting
                   -Possible statement by the President
-Reception
      -Connally, the President
      -Secretary of the Treasury
      -Central bankers
      -IMF chairman
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


     -Number
     -Statement by the president
           -Impact
     -Location
           -White House
     -Secretaries of the Treasury
     -John B. Connally
     -Timing
-Great Britain
     -Connally's evaluation
           -European market
     -Common market
           -Effect on foreign policy of the US
                 -Economic policy
-Approach
     -Integration of economic and foreign policies
           -Japan
                 -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                 -Soviet Union
-Japan
     -Relationship with US
           -Commercial relationship
           -PRC, Soviet Union
-Relationship with Europe
     -Comparison with the US
-Europe and Japan
     -Relationship with the US
           -Competition
-Japan
     -Relationship with the US
           -The President’s previous comments
                 -Competition
                 -People
                 -Type of governments
-Relationship between foreign policy and domestic issues
     -Group of Ten meeting
     -Congress
           -Meeting with the President
     -Isolationism
           -Surcharge
           -Foreign aid
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                             Tape Subject Log
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                                                                 Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


             -Trade barriers
                   -Canada
                   -Japan
                         -US public
                               -Possible speculation
                                     -Anti-trust laws
                                     -Subsidization
                                     -Okinawa reversion treaty
                                          -Textiles
                   -Type of diplomacy for the US
                         -Strength
             -Public posture
             -Congress
                   -Jacob K. Javits
       -Current situation
             -Projections for the future
-Britain
       -British press
             -Influence in US
                   -The Economist
       -Relationship with the US
             -Politics
       -Orientation
-Italy
       -Rome
             -Memorandum
             -Conversation between the president and burns
-Foreign restrictions
       -Impact in the US
             -Timing
-Economic theory
       -Floating exchange system
             -Milton Friedman
             -Godfrey [Surname unintelligible]
             -Marketplace forces
                   -Demand and supply
             -Contrast of theoretical and practical conditions
             -Current environment
             -Restraints
                   -Government rules
                   -Central banks
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                      Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


-European countries
      -Unification of ideas
            -Competition with the US
                   -Obstacle
                         -Percentage points
-Connally
      -Presentation of US position abroad
            -Understanding of problems
-Foreign countries
      -Problems
            -Gold prices
                   -US understanding
                         -Type of problems
-Impact of us action
-Import surcharge
      -US position
            -Duration
      -Currency realignment
            -Relation to surcharge
      -Negotiations
            -Length of time
-Gold issue
-Devaluation of the dollar
      -Psychological impact
      -Political impact
-Price of gold
-Inflation
-International reserves
      -Measured by gold
            -Reduction
                   -Special Drawings Rights [SDR’s]
-Economic theories
      -Political economic effects
      -Political factors
            -Parliamentary bodies
            -US position on gold prices
            -Congress
            -Economic change
                   -Election period
                   -Proxmire, Roth
-Burns
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


      -Connally
-Burns's trip
      -Education
      -Burns's credentials
            -Representation of the US
                  -Negotiations
                        -International economics
      -Domestic versus international matters
      -Burns, Connally
      -Meeting with central bankers and finance ministers
      -Clarity of communications
      -Connally
      -Representation of the US position
            -Connally
                  -Credentials
            -Type of trip
      -Connally
            -Obtaining information
            -Conversation with burns
      -France
            -Gold convertibility
      -Germany
            -Percentage points appreciation
      -European economic community [common market]
            -Director General's position
-Price of gold
      -Political compared to economic problem
            -Economic problem
-Foreign, economic discussions
      -Conally's position
      -Limitation on discussions
      -Central bankers
            -Tradition of discussion
                  -President’s approval
                  -Connally
      -US position
            -Unified position
                  -Possible outcome
                        -Press
      -Burns
            -Relationship with Connally
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


            -Role as economist
                  -Representation of the US
-US position
      -Connally
            -Agenda proposal
                  -Price of gold
                  -Trade
                  -Currency re-alignment
-Domestic political scene
      -Conversations between Burns, Connally, and the President
      -William P. Rogers
            -State Department
      -[Federal Reserve Board [FRD]]
      -Treasury Department
      -Council on International Economic Policy [CIEP]
-US negotiating position
      -Connally's staff
            -Limitations
      -Connally's
            -Credentials as negotiator
                  -Understanding of foreigners
                  -Perception by Europeans
                        -Toughness
                        -Understanding
                  -John Foster Dulles
      -State Department
            -Relationship with the President
-Number of individuals involved
      -CIEP
            -Peter G. Peterson
      -State Department
      -Commerce Department
      -Peterson
            -Number involved
            -Type of discussions
      -Connally's role
            -Foreign policy
      -Nathaniel Samuels, Philip H. Trezise
-Henry A. Kissinger
      -Relationship with the President
-Peterson
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


     -Kissinger
          -Foreign relations factors
                -Germans
                -France
                      -Georges J.R. Pompidou
                -Britain
                -Japanese
                -Future implications
                -Member of group
                -Political interests
                -Domestic advantages
     -IMF
          -The President's appearance
                -Statement
                -Reception
          -Pierre Paul Schweitzer
                -Possible meeting with the President
                      -Connally
                             -Possible reaction
     -Detroit Economic Club
          -Upcoming Question and answer [Q&A] session with the President
                -Date
                -Preparation of background information by Burns
                      -Audience
                      -International issues
                             -IMF
                             -Gold
                      -Handling
                             -Transmittal
                                   -Date
                                   -Time
                                   -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                                   -Rose Mary Woods
                                         -California
                      -Type of information
                             -Impact

The economy
     -Phase II
          -Meetings with various special interest groups and individuals
               -Date
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


                  -Decisions
                        -Directions of policy
      -Congressmen, Senators, business leaders
            -Preferences
      -Labor leaders
            -Position on Phase II
                  -Comparison to business leaders
-The President's schedule
      -Trip
            -Alaska
-Unified position
-Direction
      -Freeze
      -Phase II
            -Follow-up
      -Budgetary and tax action
-Follow-up
      -IMF meeting
-Freeze
      -Impact
-Meeting between Burns and the President
      -Freeze
      -Phase II
            -Sequence of follow-up action
                  -Burns's conversation with Herbert Stein
                        -Changing process
                              -Mechanics of change
-Labor leaders’ cooperation
      -People
            -Support of the President
                  -Results of polls
      -George Meany
            -Lack of support versus support
-Freeze
      -Impact
            -Freedom
                  -US people
                        -Support of the President
      -Election
            -Restraint imposed by freeze
                  -Labor unions
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 577-3 (cont.)


           -Forthcoming Q&A session
                -Memo from Burns to the President
           -Phase II
                -Date
                      -Preliminary statement

Burns left at 1:30 pm.