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Start Date: 17-Sep-1971 9:08 AM

End Date: 17-Sep-1971 10:03 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Butterfield, Alexander P.Atkins, Oliver F. ("Ollie")White House operator[Unknown person(s)]Stafford, Robert T.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:15:43

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:12:29

574a.mp3

574b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, Oliver F. ("Ollie") Atkins, White House operator, unknown person(s), Robert T. Stafford, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:08 am to 10:03 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 574-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 574-3

Date: September 17, 1971
Time: 9:08 am - 10:03 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, and Oliver F. (“Ollie”)
Atkins.
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                                     Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


     Color photographs
          -Atkins
          -Publication in Monday
               -Time
          -Type
          -Posing
               -Conversation with H. R. Haldeman

     New Senator from Vermont [Robert T. Stafford]
         -George D. Aiken, Michael J. Mansfield
         -Possible meeting and telephone call
              -Congratulations
              -Time
         -Aiken
         -House conference report

Atkins and Butterfield left at an unknown time before 9:17 am.

           -Support for the President
           -Handling of congratulatory telephone call

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:08 am and
9:17 am.

[Conversation No. 574-3A]

[See Conversation No. 9-57]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Press relations
           -Miami Herald
           -Orientation
                 -Washington Post
                 -New York Times
                 -Miami Herald, Chicago Sun-Times
                      -Story
                           -Effect
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                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


     Press stories
           -Type of stories
                 -Vote against military service draft bill
                      -President’s statement
                      -Handling of news story
                 -Economic issues
                      -Dollar

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:08 am.

     New York Daily News
         -Constance M. Stuart
         -Review
              -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon's television program

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 9:17 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Race car drivers
               -Reception
               -Time
               -Image of race car drivers
                      -Astronauts
                            -Previous conversation with the President
                      -Competitiveness
                      -American spirit
                      -Mechanics
                      -Haldeman’s view
          -Meetings
               -Type of people
                      -Supporters of the President
               -College professors
          -Meetings with professional bowlers, September 12, 1971
               -Scheduling of event
                      -Meeting with the Head of the American Legion
                            -John H. Geiger
               -White House bowling alley
                      -Visit
                      -Bowling
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


                     -Photographers
          -Number of professional bowlers
          -People interested in bowling

Tennis
     -Players
     -Los Angeles
     -Stan Smith
           -Previous visit to the White House
     -Jack Kramer
     -Type of game
           -The President’s view
           -Men
     -Popularity of game
           -Robert H. Finch
           -Spiro T. Agnew
     -Tennis matches
           -Comparison to opera
     -Bowling comparison to rock or pop concerts
     -Reception at event

The President's schedule
     -Previous meeting with astronauts
          -Familities
          -Children
          -Lucy A. Winchester
                 -Handling of news story
          -David R. Scott
     -Race car drivers
          -Presence of race car

Forthcoming Congressional meeting at the White House
     -William Proxmire
     -George P. Shultz
     -Herbert Stein, Paul W. McCracken
     -Counterbalance to Congressmen and support for the President
           -John B. Connally
                -Effect of absence
                      -Vice President Agnew
     -Tone and type of presentation
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


     Look magazine
          -Forthcoming cessation of publishing
                -Unknown writer and Thomas R. Shepard, Jr.
          -Life's status
          -Magazines
                -Gardner Cowles
                -Status in current marketplace
                       -Special interest magazines and newsmagazines
                       -Racing car magazine
                             -Special interest
                       -Movie magazines
                       -California magazine
                             -Articles
                             -Pictures
                                   -Patios
                                   -Hawaii
                             -Layout
                                   -Travel
                                   -Homemakeing
                                   -Gardening
                                   -Cooking

The President talked with Stafford between 9:17 am and 9:18 am.

[Conversation No. 574-3B]

[See Conversation No. 9-58]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Stafford
           -Location
           -Appointment situation
           -Swearing-in

     Robert J. Dole

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:18 am and
10:03 am.

[Conversation No. 574-3C]
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)



[See Conversation No. 9-59]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Military service draft bill
           -Dole
                -Interest
           -Clark MacGregor
                -Projected support of bill
                -Key issues
                      -Defense issues
                      -Dole
                            -Type of position
                            -Support for the President

     Economic policies
         -Announcement of the end of Phase I
               -Shultz
         -William L. Safire
               -Ideas
               -Wording
               -Shultz
         -Connally
         -Channels and coordination

     Speechwriting
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Safire
          -Buchanan
          -Safire
                -Leading news story
                      -Quote from the President
          -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
                -Statement
                      -Wording
                           -Freeze duration
                           -Program
                      -Type of news story
          -Safire
                -Type of writer
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


                 -Long term assignments compared with daily stories
                 -Safire's ideas and focus

Economic policies
    -The economy
         -Connally
         -Wage-price freeze
    -Freeze
         -Duration
               -Time
               -Date
         -Psychological effect
               -Wording of announcement

Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak's story
    -Handling
         -Correction of errata for historical record
              -The President’s view
              -Haldeman’s view

Press stories
      -Articles
            -Summary
                 -Controversy
                 -Lack of argument
                 -Administration response
      -Mansfield story
            -Reflection on the Prsident
      -The President's strategy
            -Haldeman
            -Charles W. Colson
            -Buchanan
            -Henry A. Kissinger
                 -Wording of statement
                 -Response to Democrats
                       -Issues affecting the national interest
                       -Vietnam
                       -Military service draft
            -Economic policies
                 -Wage and price freeze
                 -Response
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          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                      Tape Subject Log
                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                        Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


    -Kissinger
    -John D. Ehrlichman
    -Shultz
    -Ehrlichman
    -Safire
           -Focus issues on economic issues
                 -Foreign issues
    -Buchanan
           -Mobilization of conservatives
    -Safire
           -Comparison with Buchanan
                 -Appeal to conservatives
                 -Answers to reporters in briefings
                 -Type of job
-Mansfield
    -Safire
           -United Press International [UPI]
                 -Source of information
           -Speechwriter
           -Wider coverage of Mansfield's story
           -Implications
                 -Safire
    -MacGregor
           -Response
    -Coslon
    -MacGregor
           -Response
           -Effect of Safire and UPI on the administration
    -Response
           -Ernest F. (“Fritz”) Hollings
    -Meeting of the Senators
    -Voting position
    -Handling of story by the administration
    -Safire
           -Written story
           -Source of information
                 -Democrat Senator
           -Safire's response
    -Democrats' response
-Administration's position
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


Staff
        -Allen Locke
             -Possible appointment
        -Professor of geology
             -Environmentalist
                   -Shepard
             -Position on advisory council
             -Domestic Council
                   -Speech for the President
                   -Shepard's article
                         -Response to administration
                              -Statistics
                              -Government reporting
                              -Misinterpretation
        -John C. Whitaker

The environment
     -Pollution
           -Birds
           -Mockingbirds
     -Shepard
     -Whitaker
     -Position paper
     -Reconciliation of facts
     -Paper
           -Resolution
     -Ehrlichman

Foreign affairs
     -White House announcements
           -Ronald L. Ziegler
           -Japan
                -Terms
                      -Overseas customer
                            -Semantics
                      -Comparison to Canada
                            -Size
           -US foreign relations
           -Overseas customer

Press relations
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


     -Winchester's handling of astronaut news story
     -Safire
     -Buchanan
     -Safire
           -Type of work
           -Support for the President

Raymond K. Price, Jr.
     -Work on speech series
          -Projected completion
          -Subjects
                 -Busing
The President's trip to Detroit
     -Busing question
          -Regional appeal of issues
          -Pontiac, Michigan

Speeches
     -Issues
           -The position of the US in the world
                -Isolationism
     -Use of quotes from the President's speeches by Cabinet officials
           -Buchanan
           -John A. Scali, Price
     -Speechwriters
           -Effect of speech
                -Congressmen
                -Senators
           -Effectiveness of speeches
                -Congressmen
                -Senators
                -Buchanan
                       -Economy issue
           -The President's speech
                -Effect on Capitol Hill

Administration's response to the Democrats
    -Colson
    -Vice President Agnew's role
          -Governors' Conference
          -Revenue sharing
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


               -Democrats
          -Defense issues
               -Right wing
                     -Buchanan
                     -Senate

     Television
          -Independent group of television station owners
          -Accuracy in news reporting
                -Monitoring system
                -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] affiliate
                -American Broadcasting Company [ABC], National Broadcasting Corporation
                     [NBC]
                -Use of data from Edith Efron's book
                -Network officials
                -Counteraction
                     -Forthcoming 1972 presidential system
                     -Handling of bias issue

     Democrats
         -Handling of issues
               -Military draft
               -Obstruction
               -Partisanship
                     -Foreign policy
                          -Vietnam war
                                -Peace efforts
                                -Draft
                     -The economy and the wage and price freeze
               -Support for the President

     The President's schedule
          -Trip to Camp Hoover
                -Comparison to Camp David trip
                -Length
                -Time
                -Flight pattern
                -Dinner

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:18 am.
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


     Kissinger's schedule

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:03 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Camp Hoover
               -Feasibility of using facility
               -Cabin
               -Dining room
               -Winter season
               -Spring season
               -Manolo Sanchez, King Timahoe

     Scheduling
          -Press conferences and speeches
          -Role of the President
                -Public appearances and meetings
                     -Comparison to Connally
          -Press conferences
          -Use of the President's time
                -Leadership projection
                     -The President's role
                -Buchanan
                -Appearances
                     -Number
                            -In Washington, DC
                            -Out of Washington, DC
                                 -Nebraska, New Hampshire
                                 -Cow Palace
                            -Possible impact
                -Types of speeches
                     -Iowa
                     -Texas
          -Projection of leadership qualities
                -Press conference
                     -Effectiveness
                            -Speeches
                                 -Comparisons on effectiveness and time spent on preparation
                            -Wording
                                 -Effect compared with prepared speech
          -Radio talks
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)



Kissinger entered at 9:52 am.

     Press briefing
           -Scali
                 -Associated Press [AP], UPI

     Vietnam
          -Public relations
                -Impact
                -Speculation
          -Policy
                -The President
                      -George S. McGovern
                -Timing and method of withdrawal
                -Troop withdrawal
                      -Timing
          -Strategy
                -Plan
                      -Goal
                      -South Vietnam
                            -Retention of government
                            -Return of Prisoner of War [POWs]
                      -Responsibillity of the President's opponents
                      -McGovern's comments on ceasefire
          -Negotiations
                -North Vietnam position
                      -Nguyen Van Thieu
                -Strategy
                -Flexibility
                -Time duration
                -Forthcoming US Presidential election
                      -Effect on negotiations
                      -Post North Vietnamese action
                -Strategy


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Privacy]
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                                         Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


[Duration: 3s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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          - Demilitarized zone [DMZ]
                -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer
                -North Vietnam
                -Artillery action
                      -Target
                      -The President’s instructions
                            -Statement
                            -Timing
                -Armed forces
                      -North Vietnam action
          -US military action
                -Melvin R. Laird
                -DMZ
          -Negotiations
                -US position
          -Target
                -Dong Hoi
          -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                -Forthcoming trip
                      -Time
          -Military action
                -The President’s instructions
                -Public relations
                      -Handling
                            -Violations
                            -DMZ

     Press conference, September 16, 1971
           -The new economic policy
                -The President's conversation with Haldeman
                      -Use of quotes from the President's press conferences
           -US image
                -Isolationism
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


                -International role
     -Partisanship
           -Democrats
                -Agnew
                -Draft
                -Vietnam
                -Reaction
                -Party
                -Press response

Vietnam
     -Withdrawal
     -Ngo Dinh Diem
          -News reporting of the President's comments
     -Diem
     -Thieu
     -The President's response in press conference
          -Follow-up
     -Effect of present stance
          -Press
          -Saigon

Foreign relations
     -US foreign aid
           -Elected foreign leaders
                 -Manner of attaining office
                      -Statistics
                            -Percentages
                      -Parliamentary governments

Environmental issues
     -Birds

Kissinger's press briefing
     -Stewart M. Hensley
           -Vietnam issue
                 -Administration strategy
                        -The President's position
                             -Opponents

Schedule
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 574-3 (cont.)


           -Maurice H. Stans

Kissinger left at 10:03 am.

     Stans's forthcoming meeting with the President
          -Minority Business Enterprise
          -Fundraising dinners

     Meeting with Safire
          -Use of quotes from presidential statements

Haldeman left at 10:03 am.