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Start Date: 8-Jun-1971 9:43 AM

End Date: 8-Jun-1971 10:31 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Chapin, Dwight L.Ehrlichman, John D.White House operatorHaldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Tarr, Curtis W.Bull, Stephen B.Weinberger, Caspar W. ("Cap")

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:10:16

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:59:40

514a.mp3

514b.mp3

514c.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Dwight L. Chapin, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Curtis W. Tarr, Stephen B. Bull, and Caspar W. ("Cap") Weinberger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:43 am to 10:31 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 514-007 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 514-7

Date: June 8, 1971
Time: 9:43 am - 10:31 am
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with Dwight L. Chapin

[Conversation No. 514-7A]

[See Conversation No. 4-68]

[End of telephone conversation]

John D. Ehrlichman entered at 9:43 am

     Cabinet meeting
          -John N. Irwin, II, Melvin R. Laird, William P. Rogers attendance
          -Domestic Council
          -Attorney General’s schedule

[The President talked with the White House operator at 9:45 am]

[Conversation No. 514-7B]

[See Conversation No. 4-69]

[End of telephone conversation]
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H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 9:45 am

     Rochester, New York briefing
         -Schedule
                -Paul Miller role

     Use of President’s time
          -State Department briefings
                -Use of working lunch
          -Willy Brandt dinner

[The President talked with Curtis W. Tarr between 9:45 am and 9:47 am]

[Conversation No. 514-7C]

[See Conversation No. 4-70]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Tarr incident
           -Reaction

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:47 am

     Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 9:50 am

     Rochester briefing
         -Reception attendance
         -Use of briefings

     Cabinet meeting

     Public issues
          -Penetration of conscience
                -John A. Volpe role
                -Haldeman memo
                     -President’s attributes
                           -Strength
                           -World leadership
                           -Strength
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                                 -Public perception
                           -John B. Connally
Weinberger entered at 9:50 am
         -Budget approval
               -Political use of budget
                     -Elliot L. Richardson
                     -School subsidies
                     -Areas to help                                 Conv. No. 514-7 (cont.)
                     -Domestic Council
                           -Maurice H. Stans’ view
                                 -Automobile safety points
                                 -Volpe
                     -Making of jobs
                           -Environmentalists
                     -Nuclear plants
                           -Forums to open plants
                           -Legal problems
                           -Stans’ view
                     -Consumer versus environment
                           -William D. Ruckelshaus
                     -Consumer affairs
                           -Unknown woman
               -Jobs
                     -George W. Romney plan
                     -Necessity of creating jobs
                     -Housing role
                           -Creation of jobs
                           -Subsidies
                     -Problems of Romney plan
                           -Pressure on money market
                                 -Effect on interest rates
                     -Construction projects
                           -Immediate need
                           -Announcements of construction projects
                           -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] concern for construction
                           -Congressional versus Executive spending
                           -John Conyers, Jr. role
                     -Revenue sharing
                     -Tax reform bill
                           -Connally role
                     -Property tax
                           -Richardson’s view
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            -Drawbacks
      -Taxes
      -Property tax
            -Problems
      -Drawbacks to common man
      -Political use
            -George P. Shultz
      -Revenue sharing                               Conv. No. 514-7 (cont.)
            -Spiro T. Agnew
-Revenue sharing
-Drawbacks
      -Analysis by outside people
-Issue polls
      -Patrick J. Buchanan
      -Gallup poll
            -Quality
            -Administration polls
                  -Nature of questions
                  -Charles W. Colson
                  -Harris poll
                        -Analysis
                        -Poll content
                        -John F. Kennedy
-Jobs
      -Connally’s role
      -Shultz
      -Necessity of creating
      -San Diego effort
      -Administration bill for jobs
      -Necessity of creating jobs
            -Cost in other programs
      -Black Caucus
            -Robert J. Brown role
      -Reality of situation
      -Cabinet role
      -Cost of some proposals
            -Tax increases
      -Administration focus
      -Federal job creation
            -General Services Administration [GSA]
      -Construction on federal land
            -Congressional reaction
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-Opportunity costs
      -Priorities
            -Model Cities
            -Education
            -Tax cuts
-Public works program
      -Funding
      -Job creation                        Conv. No. 514-7 (cont.)
      -Use of existing projects
-Cuts in other programs
      -Reaction
-Immediate result programs
      -George Meany view
-Need for a fight
      -Donald H. Rumsfeld
      -Connally
      -Effect
-Tax cuts
      -Revenue sharing
      -Nature of local and federal taxes
      -Washington view
            -Wilbur D. Mills
      -City spending
      -Buchanan
      -Use of Rochester affair
-Police forces
      -New York
      -John V. Lindsay
-Accuracy of facts
      -Stans
      -Rogers C. B. Morton
      -Romney
      -Necessity
      -Donald B. Rice
      -Staff
-Volpe operation
      -Staff
      -Pilot project
            -Morton view
            -Connally view
            -Potomac River
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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                                 -Job creation
                                 -Cost
                     -Tax increase
                           -Popular perception
                     -Tax shift
                     -Tax increase
                           -Conservatives’ ideological split
                           -Weinberger’s view                        Conv. No. 514-7 (cont.)
                           -Alternatives
                           -Tax credits
                     -State taxes
                           -Governors Conference
                           -Aid to cities
                                 -John W. Byrnes’ view
                                 -Carl B. Stokes’ view
                                 -Legislatures’ view
                     -Property taxes
                           -Cuts
                           -Classifying tax payers
                     -National Railroad Passenger Corporation/American Track [AMTRAK]
                           meeting
                           -Board of directors
                           -Attendance
                                 -Volpe
                                       -Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.
                     -President’s schedule
                           -Volpe instruction
                -Home Builders meeting
                     -Content
                -Other meetings
                -Need for meetings
                     -Stans
                     -Benefits
                           -President’s business contacts
                           -Lyndon B. Johnson
                     -Local business
                     -Business Council
                           -Wage and price rhetoric
                           -[John D.?] Harper

Bull entered at unknown time after 9:43 am
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     President’s schedule

Bull left before 10:31 am

     AMTRAK meeting
        -Volpe
        -Attendance
                                                                      Conv. No. 514-7 (cont.)
     Air West crash
          -Cause
          -Friedenberg [?]

The President, Ehrlichman, Haldeman and Weinberger left at 10:31 am