Conversation No. 498-005
Date: May 13, 1971
Time: 10:32 am - 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with John D. Ehrlichman; Discontinuities appear in the original recording
Merlin K. (“Morty”) DuVal
-Elliot L. Richardson
-[Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. ?]
Richardson
H.R. Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am
-Compared to Robert H. Finch
-School and health issues
-Performance
-School districts
-Edward L. Morgan, John N. Mitchell
-The President's schedule
-Richardson
-Mitchell, John B. Connally
-Meeting
-Camp David
-Performance
Air bags
-John A. Volpe's action
-Charles W. Colson's possible efforts
-Herbert W. Kalmbach
-Henry Ford II's meeting with the President
-Ralph Nader
-Possible future cooperation between administration and auto industry
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-Kalmbach
-General Motor [GM], Chrysler
-Taxes
-James M. Roche
-Support for the President
President's schedule
-Ford
-Roche
Roche
The President's schedule
-Roche
-Cole [?]
-Peter G. Peterson
-Meetings at White House, lunch schedule
-Conversation with Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz
-US competitive position abroad
-Peterson, Ehrlichman
-Air bags
-Speech
-Consumerism, environmentalism, industry
-Richard J. Daley
-GM
-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-Air bags
-Ford
-Department of Transportation [DOT] Safety Division
-Ford
-Morgan's suggestion
-John W. Gardner
-Heads of Congress of Industrial Organizations [CIO] and League of Woman
Voters
-Welfare reform
Welfare reform
-Public relations
-Blacks
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-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Emphasis
-Politics
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan, Leonard Garment
-The President's views
-Public relations
-Morgan and other speakers
-Black audiences
-Wilbur D. Mills' approach
-Public relations
-Richardson
-Ziegler
-Press
-Ronald W. Reagan's possible views
An unknown man [Stephen B. Bull] entered and conferred with Haldeman at an unknown time
after 10:32 am
[Unintelligible]
Reagan
-Letter to the President regarding California Rural Legal Assistance [CRLA]
Welfare reform
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew and Mitchell
-Possible conversation with Reagan
The unknown man [Bull ?] left at an unknown time before 11:33 am
Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
-The President's program regarding legal services
-Privatization
-Public support
-Effect
-The President’s view
-Walter F. Mondale's legislation
-Board members
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
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-Chief Justice
-The President
-Congress
-Hoover Commission
-Frank C. Carlucci
-Forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman
-President’s plans
Carlucci
-Future role with administration
-State department career
Welfare reform
-Reagan
CRLA
-Mitchell
-L. Patrick Gray, III
-Relation to welfare reform
-Administration position
-Carlucci
-Reagan
Peterson
-Conversation with the President
-Compared with Charles H. Percy and [name(s) unintelligible]
Great Britain and France
[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
Unknown man
-Ehrlichman's son's attendance at dinner
-Stanford University
-Background
-Possible role with administration
-Council of Economic Advisors
DuVal
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
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-Views regarding Mexicans
Blacks
-Future
-The President's conversation with Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Black studies program at Smith College
-Booker T. Washington
-George Washington Carver
Mexicans
-Compared with Blacks
-Compared with Mexican-Americans
-Role of family
-Guadalajara, Monterey, Cuernavaca
-Catholic church
-Drugs
-Labor Unions
-Effect
DuVal
Peterson
Council [long-range economic planning]
-Views of William P. Rogers, Maurice Stans, Connally, Henry A. Kissinger
US future
-Kissinger
Peterson
-Negotiating ability
-Japan
-Department of State
-Kissinger
-Foreign economic policy
-Stans
-Commerce Department
-National Association of Manufacturers [NAM]
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
President's domestic policy
-Administration compared with theory
-Revenue sharing, government reorganization, education, health, welfare,
environment
-Politics
-Cancer
-Response to State of the Union address
-Florida, California, Texas, Oklahoma
-Economy
-Jobs, family income, working Americans
-Housing quality
-Garages
-Bathrooms
-National goals
-1972 election
-Popular expectations of government
-State of the Union address
-Cost of government
-Shultz's work at the Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Time magazine coverage
-Popular opinion
-Health
-Education
-Drugs
-Crime
-Marijuana
Homosexuality
-"All In The Family" television show on homosexuality
-The President’s view
-Archie Bunker
-Compared with Jackie Gleason
-Son-in-law
-Characters story line
-Letter to the President
-Issues
-The President’s view
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Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
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[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under PRMPA regulations 05/23/2019. Segment
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[Privacy]
[498-005-w004]
[Duration: 13s]
Homosexuality
-Friends of administration
-[First name unknown] Alger [?]
-Joseph W. Alsop
-Enemies
-Joseph C. Kraft
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Homosexuality
-Television treatment
-The President view
-Prostitutes
-Effect on children
-President’s view
-US future
-Ancient Greece
-Aristotle
-Socrates
-Influence of television
-Rome
-Last six emperors
-Nero
-Catholic church
-Great Britain
-France
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-US
USSR
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
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-Narcotics
-Homosexuality
US future
-Liberals and Communists
-Moynihan, Robert H. Finch, Garment
-Television
-Effect on children
Homosexuality
-Current attitudes
-Gay liberation
-Justin W. Dart's conversation with Ehrlichman
-University of Southern California [USC]
-San Francisco
-Stanford University
-Bohemian Grove attendees
-The President's response
-Hollywood
-Pasadena
-Decorating and apparel manufacturers
-An unknown man
-Decorators
-Women's fashions
Women's fashions
-Designers
-Hot pants
White House staff
-Political role
-Public relations
-Dwight D. Eisenhower's staff
-James C. Hagerty
-Richard A. Moore, William L. Safire, John A. Scali
-Speech writers
-The President's November 3, 1969 speech
-Children's conference speech
-Daughters of the American Revolution [DAR] speech
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
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-Chamber of Commerce speech
-Staff members
-Safire, Raymond K. Price, Patrick J. Buchanan, Noel C. Koch, Moore
-Public relations
-Importance
1972 campaign
-State of the Union
-Importance
-Budget
-Importance
-Legislative initiatives
-Congress
-Taxes
-Ehrlichman's possible meeting
-The President, John N. Mitchell, Connally, Shultz
-Agenda
-White House action
Politics
-Water
-Revenue sharing
-Spiro T. Agnew's speeches
-Democrats' response
-Joseph A. Califano, Jr., government reorganization group
-Housewife in Duluth
-Democrats
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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 05/23/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
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[Duration: 1m 12s]
Politics
-1972 election
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-The President’s position
-Issues
-Avoid being too political
-Presidential posture
-President prefers high-falutin over grimy issues
-Minimum wage
-Working group
-Peter G. Peterson
-William L. Safire
-Raymond K. Price, Jr.
-John A. Scali
-Richard A. Moore
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Chicago
-Low-income housing
-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
The President's conversation with Connally, May 13, 1971
-Forthcoming vote in Congress on SST [?]
Federal budget
-Deficit
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger's
-Forthcoming press briefing, May 13, 1971
Chicago
-Low-income housing program
-Federal District Court order
-Gatro [?] case
-Possible referral to Supreme Court
-HUD's actions
-Model Cities
-Model Neighborhood program
-Public relation program
-Gatro [?] case
-Legal status
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-HUD actions
-Forthcoming mayoral election
The President's schedule
-Forthcoming meeting on government reorganization
-Connally
-The President's role
-Agenda
-Alexander P. Butterfield
Richard J. Daley
-Effect on Illinois Congressional delegation
-Revenue sharing
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am
An unknown item for Ehrlichman
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:33 am
Daley
-Schedule
Haldeman left and Richard J. Daley and George P, Shultz entered at 11:33 am; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting
Greetings
Arrangements for photograph
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:33 am
-Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
-Washington, D.C. police
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:20 pm
Opinion Research Corporation [ORC] poll
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
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Chicago
-The President's conversation with Shultz
-Housing
-Federal court's order
-Problems
-Economic classes
-Race
-Racial composition
-Washington, D.C.
Public Housing
-Racial quotas
Chicago
-Public housing
-Vacancies
-Crime
-Daley's actions
-Condominium
-Compared with St. Louis
-Shultz's views
Public housing
-Neighborhoods
-Operations
-Chicago
-Locus of decision-making
-Local non-profit organizations
-Federal funds
-Washington, D.C. neighborhoods
-New York City
-John V. Lindsay, Bert Kramer[?]
-Racial quotas
-Need for control
-Schools
-Crime
Education
-Public
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Private
-Financing
-Citizens' commission
-Cardinals John Cody and John Cardinal Krol
-Special revenue sharing
-Possible congressional response
-Importance
-The President's schooling
-Public
-Taxes
-Productivity
-Voucher program
-Experiment
-Location (Alrock?, California)
-Educational establishment position
Narcotics
-Chicago's program
-Law enforcement personnel
-Permissiveness
-Reverend Frye[?] in Chicago
-Elementary schools
-Armed forces
Effect on civilian work force
-Churches' possible role
-Educators
-Marijuana
-The President's previous conferences in California
-A study
-Legalization
-Compared with alcohol, hard drugs
-Study commission
-Legalization
-Effects
-Treatment centers
-Marijuana legalization
-Crime
-Methadone
-Treatment program in Washington, D.C.
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Effect
-Heroin
-Treatment program in Washington, D.C.
-Effect
-Possible use in Chicago
-Black population compared with Chicago
Chicago
-Police
-Morale
-Community support
-Business, labor
-Recruitment
-Compensation
-Continuing education
-Orlando W. Wilson's accomplishments
-Revenue sharing
-Formula for calculation
-Importance
-Flexibility in public service uses
Veterans
-Military discharges
-Petitions to Washington
-Potential
-Employment
-Narcotics
-Less-than-honorable discharges
-Preference
-Prisoner rehabilitation comparison
National Economy
-Gross National Product [GNP]
-Increase
-Relation to employment
-Retail sales
-Trends
-Ford, Sears-Roebuck, Company
-Inventories
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Extent of change
-Unemployment
-Shultz's talk in Chicago with business group
-Housing
-Regional Differences
-Chicago, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, West Coast, Los Angeles, New
York City, Seattle
-Businessmen
Chicago
-Development
-Compared with New York City
-Businessmen
-Labor
-Compared with New York City and Boston
-Racial programs
Demonstrations
-Jerry V. Wilson
-Actions
-Television response
-Support of the President and Mitchell
-ORC poll
-Washington, D.C. police force
-Actions
-Questions
-Results
-Washington, D.C. police handling
Intergovernmental relations
-California
-New York
-Agnew
-Daley
-Shultz
-Ehrlichman
-The President
-Dan Rostenkowski
-Shultz
-Importance
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
Presentation of gifts by the President
-Cuff links
-Gift for Daley’s wife
Daley's communications with the Administration
-Narcotics
-Law enforcement
-Employment
Chicago
-Police
-The President's support
Housing program
Ehrlichman, Daley, and Shultz left at 12:20 pm