Conversation: 295-015
Prev: 295-014 Next: 296-001Start Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1971 10:05 PM
End Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1971 11:39 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Mitchell, John N.; [Unknown person(s)]; White House operator; Kissinger, Henry A.Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:48:43
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:14:16
NARA Description:
On November 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John N. Mitchell, unknown person(s), White House operator, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:05 pm and 6:39 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 295-015 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 295-015 Date: November 16, 1971 Time: 5:05 - unknown before 6:39 pm Location: Executive Office Building The President met with John N. Mitchell. Ronald W. Reagan -Schedule -Governors Conference -Henry A. Kissinger -The President -Dispute with Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW] -The President's conversation with Elliot L. Richardson -Mitchell -Schedule -Republican Governors Conference -Meetings with Mitchell -Robert H. Finch -United Nations [UN] -Welfare -California ***************************************************************** Page | 21 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/21/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w001] [Duration: 3m 40s] Ronald W. Reagan -California Republican party -Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger -Job offer -Gordon C. Luce -Job offer -William French Smith -William French Smith's conversation with John N. Mitchell -[First name unknown] Sullivan and Henry Salvatori -Job offer to Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger -Conversation with John N. Mitchell -Republican Party factionalism -[First name unknown] Walker -National compared to local point of view -Newspaper columns -The President -Hubert H. Humphrey -Schedule -The President -John N. Mitchell and Henry A. Kissinger ***************************************************************** The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 5:05 pm and 6:08 pm. [Conversation No. 295-15A] Reagan's schedule -Kissinger -The President -Mitchell Page | 22 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 [End of telephone conversation] ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w002] [Duration: 2m 9s] California Republicans -Edwin Reinecke -Evelle J. Younger -[First name unknown] Pordaroy [sp?] -William French Smith -[First name unknown] Campbell -University -Views regarding Gordon C. Luce -Gordon C. Luce's possible role -Resign and change roles -Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger's possible role -1972 campaign -Hardcore Reaganites -No middle -[First name unknown] Campbell -George H. W. Bush ***************************************************************** Polls -W. Clement Stone -Robert Teeter -Michigan -Chicago Sun-Times -Range -Edmund S. Muskie Page | 23 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Teeter ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w003] [Duration: 6m 20s] Richard B. Ogilvie -Andrew [?] Young -John B. Anderson -John N. Mitchell's upcoming conversation with Donald H. Rumsfeld, November 17 -Prospects -Polls -Paul L. Simon -25 points ahead -[First name unknown] Doran [sp?] -US Attorney -Paul L. Simon -25 points ahead -Effect on the President's campaign -Edmund S. Muskie 1972 campaign -Local candidates -Chicago Sun-Times poll -Edmund S. Muskie -Prospects for nomination -New Hampshire -Announcement of the president's candidacy -January -Ronald L. Ziegler -Press -Questions and answers [Q&A] -Statement -Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1956 Page | 24 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -James C. Hagerty -John B. Connally -Petitions -Local initiatives -Campaign headquarters -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.'s campaign -New Hampshire -Lack of money and organization -Polls -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr. -Standing in California ***************************************************************** Nelson A. Rockefeller -Meeting with Mitchell -Politics -Unknown Chinese people -Bond issue -Conservative party -Jews Golda Meir -Forthcoming meeting with the President -Yitzhak Rabin's meeting With Kissinger, November 16, 1971 -Peter M. Flanigan [?] -Moshe Dayan -The President's schedule -William P. Rogers and Melvin R. Laird Middle East -Unknown person’s statement -UN -Soviet Union -Shipments -US News & World Report -Soviet Union -Arms shipment Page | 25 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -TU’s ***************************************************************** [Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and released 03/22/2019.] [Unintelligible] [295-015-w018] [Duration: 7s] Middle East -Unknown person’s knowledge -Embarrassment ***************************************************************** Richard G. Lugar -Percentage of Jewish vote -Chicago Rogers and Laird -Troop withdrawals Laird ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w005] [Duration: 7m 26s] Indiana -Republican politics -Governor Edgar D. Whitcomb Page | 26 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -1972 campaign -1968 chairman, Charles O. Hendricks -Charles A. Halleck -John K. Snyder [?] -Will H. Hays, Jr. -Edgar D. Whitcomb -Charles A. Halleck and John K. Snyder -Matthew E. Welsh Possible candidacy -John K. Snyder -New organization -Government charter -Matthew E. Welsh -Possible poll -William D. Ruckelshaus -Willing to run -William D. Ruckelshaus -Wife, Jill E. (Strickland) Ruckelshaus -President’s opinion -John N. Mitchell’s opinion Pennsylvania -Republican Party organization -Arlin M. Adams's study -Democrats’ registration compared to Republicans -Possibility of making a Republican state -State chairman -County chairmen -Raymond P. Shafer -Left party -Milton J. Shapp -Hugh Scott -State chairman -Clifford L. Jones -Restructure -Executive director -Push for new chairman -Umbrella organization -Martin G. Hamberger Page | 27 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Arlen Specter -Relations with Frank L. Rizzo ***************************************************************** Frank L. Rizzo -Dealings with administration ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w006] [Duration: 11m 13s] Illinois -Republican Party organization -Arthur M. Wood [?] -[first name unknown] Wallace -Robert D. Stuart, Jr. -Chairman of Finance Committee -Bob Gallance [?] -Downstate co-chairman, John H. Altorfer -Thomas J. Houser -Unknown Italian in suburbs -Charles H. Percy campaign workers -Richard B. Ogilvie -Dinners Wisconsin -Republican Party organization -Unknown businessman -George Parker and [unintelligible names] -John D. Ehrlichman -Offices at risk -Two Senators Page | 28 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Governor Ohio -Republicans -Ray C. Bliss -Recent municipal elections -Cleveland -James A. Rhodes -Possible political plans -Governor in 1974 -John S. Andrews -Robert A. Taft, Jr. California -Dinner in San Francisco -Martha (Beall) Mitchell -Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger -Ronald W. Reagan's job offer -Previous encounters -Relations with Republican National Committee and Robert J. Dole -Support -John N. Mitchell’s experiences in California -Republicans -Invitations to White House -Jack L. Warner -John N. Mitchell's meeting with entertainers -Jack L. Warner -The President's support for movies -John N. Mitchell’s opinion -Taft Schreiber -Creating an office -Fundraising -Nashville, Tennessee -Country and Western music -John N. Mitchell's forthcoming lunch with John B. Connally -November 22, 1971 Florida -Republicans Page | 29 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo's view -Jack Madigan -Background -Lawyer -Sherriff’s association 8-10 years -Unknown convention -Democrats -Lobbying efforts -Hotel association -Alcohol beverage -John N. Mitchell’s opinion of abilities -[First name unknown] McCloskey -Announcement -Primary election -March 14, 1972 -Strategy ***************************************************************** Watergate -Cubans -Immigration and Naturalization Service [INS] -Political registration of Cubans as Republicans ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w007] [Duration: 1m 23s] Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana -Polls -Georgia -Senate -Republicans Page | 30 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Buster Johnson -Howard H. (“Bo”) Callaway -Dillard Munford -John N. Mitchell’s opinion -Winton M. (“Red”) Blount -Disagreement with John N. Mitchell -Motives ***************************************************************** Mississippi -Governor [William L. Waller] -Meeting with Mitchell -Election -Legislation -James O. Eastland -New York Times and Washington Post -New South ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w008] [Duration: 3m 1s] Florida and Georgia -Reubin O. Askew -James E. (“Jimmy”) Carter Democratic governors -Southern Governors conference -Governor of Puerto Rico Luis Ferré [?] -Warren E. Hearnes -Edmund S. Muskie -Bylaws Page | 31 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy and George S. McGovern -Possible candidacies North Carolina -Charles R. Jonas -James C. Gardner -John N. Mitchell’s opinion -Possible candidacy for Senate -President’s opinion -James E. Holshouser, Jr. -Charles R. Jonas -Possible candidacy for Senate -James E. Holshouser, Jr. and James C. Gardner -President’s opinion -James C. Gardner -Ronald W. Reagan and George C. Wallace John N. Mitchell’s schedule -November 26, 1971 -Law Appreciation Day -Convention ***************************************************************** Cabinet -Commerce Department -Peter G. Peterson -Maurice H. Stans -Role and activities -International monetary affairs -Public speaking -Textiles -David M. Kennedy's views -State Department -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman's conversation with Mitchell Flanigan -Kissinger Page | 32 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -State Department -Peterson's staff Peterson -Business Council -Charles H. Percy -James T. Lynn -Stans -Possible activities -Possible activities -Speechmaking Cabinet -Rogers and Laird -Connally's views -Promotion of the President -John Foster Dulles -Desire for credit -Peterson -Kennedy's conversation with Mitchell -Anthony J. Jurich -Possible position -Flanigan Flanigan -Kissinger -State Department -Possible position -Peterson's staff -Richard V. Allen -Jurich -Allen -Jurich -Possible relations with Kissinger -Kissinger -Politics and economics -John D. Ehrlichman -Commerce Department -Tankers Page | 33 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Kissinger's staff -Leaks -Staff -Jurich -Kissinger -Relationships -Ehrlichman -Research -George P. Shultz Peterson -Staff work Stans -Trip to Soviet Union -Forthcoming conversation with Mitchell -Tenure in office -Peterson -Nomination -The President’s forthcoming announcement -Mitchell -Republic National Committee -Peterson ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w009] [Duration: 44s] Maurice H. Stans -Possible role with Republican National Committee -Car -Prestige -Meetings -Budget Page | 34 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -President’s opinion ***************************************************************** Ambassador to Japan -Hoyt Ammidon -William S. Renchard -Chemical Bank Ambassador to North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] -Walter N. Thayer -Walter J. Stoessel, Jr. -Rogers's views -Poland -State Department Ambassador to the UN -George H. W. Bush -Compared to Charles W. Yost Japanese textile negotiations -State Department National economy -Money supply -Arthur F. Burns -Unknown appointment to Federal Reserve Board [FRB] NATO Ambassador -Requirements -William H. Morton -American Express -Howard L. Clark -Requirements -Robert F. Ellsworth -Thayer -Renchard Page | 35 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 5:05 pm and 6:08 pm. [Conversation No. 295-15B] [See Conversation No. 14-141] [End of telephone conversation] Flanigan -Location Cabinet -Rogers and Laird -Loyalty -Laird -Ambitions -Connally -Ambitions -Rogers The White House operator talked with the President at 6:08 pm. [Conversation No. 295-15C] [See Conversation No. 14-142] [End of telephone conversation] Cabinet -Rogers -Reaction to John A. Scali's talk in Cabinet meeting -Calls to Vice President Spiro T. Agnew and Mitchell -Scali -Talk in meeting -Mitchell and Connally -Rogers C. B. Morton -Stans -John A. Volpe Page | 36 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -George W. Romney -Volpe Volpe -1972 election -Possible trips to Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey -Possible role with Administration -Ambassadorship to Italy -Previous visit to Italy -Graham A. Martin's view -Italian elections -Timing Cabinet -Volpe -Romney -Performance -Rogers -Knowledge by public -Dulles -Soviet Union -Unknown man -Staff -Marshall Green -Joseph J. Sisco -Statement on Middle East -Jacob K. Javits Ambassador to Japan -Unknown man -Connally -Renchard -Mitchell's possible conversation with Flanigan -Thayer -The President’s schedule Flanigan -Possible role with Administration -Ambassadorships to Japan or NATO Page | 37 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w014] [Duration: 1m 34s] Connecticut -Poll -Thomas J. Meskill -Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. -Statements regarding administration -Charles H. Percy -President’s opinion -Republican Party organization -Italians New Jersey -Democrats -Republican Party organization -Clifford P. Case -Lead in race -Attendance at Republican functions ***************************************************************** The President talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 6:08 pm and 6:20 pm. [Conversation No. 295-15D] Kissinger's schedule -Mitchell [End of telephone conversation] Page | 38 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 Reagan -Forthcoming conversation with Mitchell -Possible role with Administration -Cabinet -Ambassadorship to London [Court of Saint James] -Cabinet -Defense, State Department -Statement at television dinner -Defense of Administration -Nancy Reagan -Martha (Beall) Mitchell -Jack J. Valenti -Dinner -Unknown person -Lyndon B. Johnson ***************************************************************** [Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/22/2019. Segment cleared for release.] [Personal Returnable] [295-015-w016] [Duration: 1m 7s] Ronald W. Reagan -Upcoming conversation with John N. Mitchell -National campaign -Local people -Prestige William French Smith -1972 campaign -Possible chairman -Prestige -Chancellor Kissinger entered at 6:20 pm. Page | 39 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger -President’s opinion ***************************************************************** William French Smith -Possible role with administration -Supreme Court -Unknown case Richard G. Kleindienst -Testimony Mitchell -Tenure in office -Forthcoming announcement 1972 campaign -Primaries -Mitchell and Stans -Kissinger -The President's forthcoming trip to Soviet Union -Mitchell Kleindienst -Possible role with administration Cabinet -Rogers and Laird -Tenure in office -The President’s conversation with Kissinger -Vietnam troop withdrawal -Laird -Leak -Promotion of the President -Scali -Statement at Cabinet meeting -Rogers Page | 40 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Daniel P. Moynihan and Connally Vietnam -Negotiations with North Vietnam -Lt. Gen. Vernon A. Walters -Forthcoming meeting -Timing -Le Duc Tho -Paris -Newspaper editorial -The President's troop withdrawal announcement of November 12, 1971 -William J. Porter's possible statements -Possible termination -Possible military action -Negotiations with North Vietnam -The President's recent troop withdrawal announcement -Public reaction -Democrats -Press -Possible termination -Possible proposal -Possible publicity -Nguyen Van Thieu's tenure in office -October 11, 1971 letter -US offer -Forthcoming meeting -Le Duc Tho -Timing -Xuan Thuy -Walters -Le Duc Tho -Kissinger -Propaganda -Military aid to South Vietnam -Congress -Prisoners of war [POWs] -Possible public disclosure -Proposal -Residual force Page | 41 White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973 Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542 -Congress -The President's recent troop withdrawal announcement -Effect -Andrei A. Gromyko and Indira Gandhi -Possible termination -Conditions -Channels -Bombing threat -Deadline -Mansfield Amendment The conversation was cut off at an unknown time before 6:39 pm.