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Start Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1971 8:45 PM

End Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1971 10:31 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Shultz, George P.White House operatorDunlop, John T.Sanchez, ManoloKissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:51:35

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:33:55

272-017.mp3

NARA Description:

On August 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, George P. Shultz, White House operator, John T. Dunlop, Manolo Sanchez, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:45 pm to 6:31 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 272-017 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 272-017
Date: August 11, 1971
Time: 4:45 pm - 6:31 pm
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
Location: Executive Office Building
The President met with George P. Shultz.
President's economic program
-Developments
-William P. Rogers’ call to Shultz, August 11, 1971
-Import surcharge
John T. Dunlop's article
-New York Times
-Paul W. McCracken
The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:45 pm and
4:49 pm.
[Conversation No. 272-17A]
Request for a call to Dunlop
[End of telephone conversation]
President's economic program
-Leaks
-Structure
-Taxes
-Possible wage-price freeze
The President talked with Dunlop between 4:49 pm and 4:51 pm.
[Conversation No. 272-17B]
Dunlop's letter to New York Times
-Income policy
-President's meeting with Shultz
-McCracken
[End of telephone conversation]
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
President's previous conversation with Dunlop
Dunlop
-Background
-Harvard University
-Productivity Committee
-Age
-Meeting with the President
-Manner
-Harvard University
Malfunctioning office equipment
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:51 pm.
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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/04/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
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[Duration: 9s]
Pipe
-Need cleaning
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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:10 pm.
President's economic program
-Possible wage and price freeze
-Effects
-Business confidence
-International situation
-Shock
-Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Pricing decisions
-National economy
-Taxes
-Vietnam War
-Public confidence
-Need to educate public
-Steel
-Inflation alerts
-National Committee on Productivity
-Construction trades
-Budget
-1969
-Recession
-Compared to 1958
Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:51 pm.
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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/04/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
[Personal Returnable]
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[Duration: 12s]
Pipe
-Problems with
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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:10 pm.
President's economic program
-Politics
-President's conversations
-Herbert Hoover
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Franklin D. Roosevelt's statements and actions
-National Recovery Administration [NRA], Agricultural Adjustment
Administration [AAA], Works Progress Administration [WPA],
National Youth Administration [NYA]
-Soundness
-Arthur F. Burns’ view
-Markets
-News media
-John F. Kennedy's administration
-Unemployment rate
-Consumer Price Index [CPI]
-Unemployment
-Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
-Unemployment reporting
-Public confidence
-Possible float of dollar
-Forthcoming meeting, September 1971
-Possible wage and price freeze
-Inflation
-Possible devaluation
-Shultz's conversation with son
-Wage and price freeze
-Investment tax credit
-Possible import tax
-Possible float of dollar
-Burns’ view
-US position in world
-Japan
-Investment growth
-Trade
-Leader for peace
-Trade
-Need for economic leadership
-Parallel to foreign affairs leadership
-Closing gold window
-Justification
-Stabilization
-International monetary system
-International Monetary Fund [IMF]
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
Henry A. Kissinger entered at 5:10 pm.
-US trading partners
-Economic leadership
-Foreign affairs
-People’s Republic of China [PRC], Berlin
-National interest
-Tone
-Avoiding crises
-Import tax, wage and price freeze, and investment tax credit
-Balance of trade
-Dollar problem
-Relative value of economy
-Closing gold window
Signing of Accidental War Agreement
-Kissinger's conversation with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
-Foreign minister level
-William P. Rogers
-Possible impact on PRC
-Andrei A. Gromyko
-Level
-PRC
-Gromyko
-Arrival in Washington, DC
-Timing
-Unknown meeting
-President’s instructions
-Radio channel
-Dobrynin
-Rogers
-Vladimir Semenov
-PRC
-Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Chou En-lai
-Berlin
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
[Previous National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number
LPRN-T-MDR-2014-016. Segment declassified on 01/12/2018. Archivist: DR]
[National Security]
[272-017-w003]
[Duration: 24s]
Signing of Accidental War Agreement
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
-Prepared paragraphs
-Subsequent drafts
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US relations with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Kissinger's conversation with Robert Anderson of Richfield Oil
-Anderson’s planned trip to USSR
-USSR attitude
-Cambodia
-President's forthcoming trip to PRC
President's forthcoming trip to PRC
-Reaction of Liberals and Conservatives
-W[illiam] A[verill] Harriman
-Speech
Kissinger's conversations with Dobrynin, August 11, 1971
-Tone
-Need for secrecy
India-Pakistan
-President's previous meeting
-Joseph J. Sisco
-Joseph S. Farland
-Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
-Political accommodation
-Risk
-India
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Refugee policy
-President's previous meeting
President's Economic Program
-Textiles
-President's Conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
-Views of John N. Mitchell, David M. Kennedy, John B. Connally
-National security argument
-Peter G. Peterson, Rogers
-Kissinger's forthcoming calls to Mitchell and Connally
-National security argument
-Consequence
-Steel
-Possible legislation
-Mitchell
-Development of administration's program
-Forthcoming meeting
-David M. Kennedy
-Need for consensus
-Peterson's role
-Japan
-PRC
-President's conversation with Peter M. Flanigan
-Rogers
-Takeo Fukuda
-Comparison to Eisaku Sato
-Kissinger's conversation with Rogers
-Unknown Emissary
-Forthcoming visit to US
-The President’s instructor
-Leon H. Keyserling
-President's possible conversation with Fukuda
Kissinger's forthcoming conversations with Dobrynin and Rogers
Rogers
-October meeting with Gromyko
Kissinger left at 5:25 pm.
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
President's Economic Program
-Textiles
-Japan
-Peterson
-Fukuda
-Possible US action
-Quota bill
-Possible import tax
-Possible import tax
-Level
-Rogers’ view
-Possible Japanese revaluation
-Convertibility of dollar to gold
-Closing gold window
-Relationship to relative currency value
-International action
-Floating exchange rates
-Canada, Germany, Switzerland
-Japan
-Dollar accumulation
-Revaluation
-Possible negotiations concerning exchange rates
-Flexibility
-Parity
-Possible devaluation
-Possible import tax
-Effect on trade
-Controls
-The President's powers
-Congress
-Kenneth W. Dam’s research
-Politics
-Convertibility of dollar to gold
-Risk
-Possible import tax
-Possible investment tax credit
-Possible wage and price freeze
-Explanation
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-International monetary situation
-US equities
-Gold standard
-Theodore Roosevelt
-Shultz's possible conversation with Connally
-President’s view
-Possible Treasury Department response
-Stabilizing effect
-Unilateral action
-Wage and price freeze
-Import tax
-Congress
-Investment tax credit
-Immediate actions
-Possible import quota
-Wage and price freeze
-Import tax
-Possible tariff increase
-Textiles
-Kennedy Round
-Oil
-Oil companies
-Timing
-1972 election
-Senators' vote on Lockheed
-Ronald W. Reagan
-Government revenue
-International bankers
-Convertibility of dollar to gold
-Renegotiation of exchange rate
-Possible effects
-Wage and price controls
-Devaluation
-Posible devaluation
-Interest rates
-Effect
-Interest rates
-Fear of inflation
-Possible wage and price freeze
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Administration
-Justice Department
-Exceptions
-Duration
-Possible effect on retail sales
-Follow-up program
-Possible board
-Burns
-Operation
-Industry problems
-Construction industry
-Possible strikes
-Longshoremen
-Coal miners
-Construction industry
-Cost of living increases
-Federal budget
-Shultz’s responsibilities
-National defense
-Timing
-Appropriations
-Figures
-Shultz's conversation with David Packard
-Melvin R. Laird, Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]
-Necessity
-President's foreign policy commitments
-US-PRC relations, Berlin Agreement
-Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT]
-Progress
-Timing
-Middle East
-SALT
-Berlin
-SALT
-Shultz’s conversation with Kissinger
-1974
-Navy
-Air Force bases
-Economy
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-1972 election
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[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/04/2019.
Segment cleared for release.]
[Personal Returnable]
[272-017-w005]
[Duration: 1m 41s]
President's Foreign Policy
-Arthur F. Burns [?] negotiation
-1972 election
-Democratic candidates
-Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s opinion
-Vietnam War
John V. Lindsay
-Nelson A. Rockefeller
-President’s opinion
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President's economic program
-Federal budget
-Statements
-Federal employment
-Revenue estimates
-Fiscal Year [FY] 1972
-Figure
-FY 1973
-Figure
-Investment tax credit
-Estimated revenue
-FY 1972
-Figure
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-FY 1973
-Figure
-Possible import tax
-Connally
-Family Assistance Program
-General revenue-sharing
-Federal pay increases
-Federal agency leasing
-Real estate equipment
-Food stamp eligibility
-Rural loan program
-Water and sewer grants
-House Resolution [HR] 1
-Space program
-Shuttle
-Public relations
-Shultz’s request for memorandum
-1972 election
-Employment
-Skylab
-Personnel
-Houston Space Center
-Cape Kennedy
-Moonshot
President's economic program
-Possible import tax
-Senate
-Haldeman
-President's legal powers
-Shultz's possible call to Rogers
-Possible congressional action
-Wright Patman
-Quota bill
-Unknown law suit
-Shultz's possible call to Mitchell
-Federal pay raise
-Timing
-Unemployment
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-President’s schedule
-California
-Travel
-Burns
-Suggestions
-Meeting with central bankers
-Negotiation
-Burns
-Japanese ambassador
-Tariff
-President's possible television speech
-Public relations
-Content
-Timing
-Treasury Department action
-President’s speech
-Congress
-Shultz's possible call to Connally
-President's forthcoming conversation with Burns, August 12, 1971
-Timing of possible actions
-Convertibility of dollars to gold
-Speech
-Treasury Department
-Announcement
-Timing
-Shultz's possible call to Connally
-Federal budget
-H R 1
-Revenue sharing
-Federal employment
-Possible pay cuts
-Rural Electrification Administration [REA]
-Lobby
-Federal employment
-Figure
-Civilian and military
-Cuts
-H. R. 1 and revenue sharing
-John D. Ehrlichman
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White House Tapes of the Nixon Administration, 1971-1973
Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542
-Statement
-Shultz's possible call to Connally
-Federal budget
-Possible federal hiring freeze
-Shultz's possible conversation with Connally
-Timing of announcement
-Possible import tax
-US position in world
School desegregation
-South Carolina
-Bob Davis’ statement
-Elliot L. Richardson's statement
-School board
-Plan in Columbia
-Busing
-Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
-Administration’s position
The President and Shultz left at 6:31 pm.
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