Conversation No. 220-012
Date: October 15, 1972
Time: Unknown between 9:16 am and 10:55 am
Location: Camp David Hard Wire
The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.
The press
-The White House staff's position
-Comparison to Lyndon B. Johnson's staff
-Support of the President for staff members
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Henry A. Kissinger's treatment of staff
-Clark MacGregor, Frederic V. Malek
-Direct mail story
-Fallibility
-The President's California property
-New York Times story
-Secret Service facilities at San Clemente
-Comparison to R. Sargent Shriver story
-The ownership of the property
-John D. Ehrlichman
-[Wally Turners]
-Reporters contact over the years
-Number of stories
-Los Angeles Times
-Haldeman’s possible telephone call to Otis
Chandler
-The Shriver trust
-Use of story
Instructions to turn something down
Campaign practices
-Lawrence F. O'Brien, Jr.'s tax returns
-Effect on O'Brien of White House action
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-Unnamed man in Minnesota [Kenneth Dahlberg ?]
Watergate and campaign practices
-Dwight L. Chapin
-Story
-Hearsay
-Donald H. Segretti
-Young [First name unknown]
-University of Southern California [USC]
-Role
-Loyalty of White House staff
-1968 campaign
-Leonard Garment, Frank J. Shakespeare
-Conversation with [Joe McGinniss for The Selling of the
President]
-Confidentiality
-Response to story
-Segretti
-Background of story
-Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] inquiry
-G[eorge] Gordon Liddy's telephone list
-Segretti
-Segretti's attempts to reach Chapin
-Conversation with Young
-[Unknown person]
-Revelation of information
-The Washington Post's telephone call of October 13, 1972
-Affadavit from Young
-Chapin's involvement with Segretti
-Chapin-Segretti meeting with E. Howard Hunt,
Jr. in Miami
-Ehrlichman, Richard A. Moore, John W. Dean III
-Draft of statement in response to charges
-Chapin's relationship with Hunt
-Chapin, Gordan C. Strachan
-Relationship with Segretti
-Time magazine story
-Newsweek [?]
-Young
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-Washington Post, Time magazine
-Newsweek
-Segretti
-Possible response to charges
-Activities
-Dick Tuck
-Guidance
-Washington Post story
-Wording
-Segretti's current contacts with Dean
-Segretti
-Background at USC
-Chapin, Strachan
-Relationship
-Investigation
-FBI
-Possible discovery of Herbert W. Kalmbach's role
-Payments to Segretti
-Chapin's recruitment of Segretti
-Chapin, Patrick J. Buchanan's 1968 campaign
activities
-Kalmbach
-Possible response
-FBI
-Statement from Chapin about his relationship with
Segretti
-Segretti role outside the White House staff
-Independence
-Liddy's Committee to Re-elect the President
[CRP] operation
-Payments
-Kalmbach
-Liddy
-Kalmbach's role
-Liddy's reaction to Segretti's activities
-Dean
-Liddy
-Charles W. Colson's knowledge
-Separation of activities
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-Young's role in revelation of information
-Democratic activities
-Press's double standard
-Press coverage
-Washington Post, Time magazine
-Time magazine
-Use of Strachan's name
-Source for story
-Grand jury, FBI
-Ehrlichman's conversation with L[ouis] Patrick Gray, III
about leaks
-George S. McGovern's October 15, 1972 speech about corruption
-Washington Post story's timing
-Chapin's access to the President
-Response to charges
-Chapin’s response
-Ehrlichman's response
-Hearsay
-Haldeman’s view
-Young's statement
-Motivation
-Segretti
-Maurice H. Stans
-Effect of charges
-Response to charges
-Comparison to underworld figures
-Sherman Adams and the vicuna coat charges during the Dwight D.
Eisenhower administration
-Eisenhower's response
-Dean
-Wedding
-Maureen (Biener) Dean
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Watergate and campaign practices
-John W. Dean, III
-October 13, 1972 wedding
-Maureen (Biener) Dean
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Watergate and campaign practices
-Chapin-Segretti story
-White House involvement
-Chapin's access to the President
-White House response
-Chapin
-The President’s view
-Kalmbach
-Involvement with funds
-Unnamed West Coast lawyer
-Segretti's use of names
-Hunt, Chapin
-Young statement
-Editorialized use
-Revelation of information about Kalmbach's role
-FBI
-Statement
Vietnam negotiations
-Kissinger’s activities
-Options
-Haldeman’s conversation with Kissinger
-1972 election
-November 15, 1972
-Possible trip to Hanoi
-Paris, Saigon
-Possible press speculation
-Hanoi
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-1972 election
-Kissinger’s judgment
-President’s view
-Military options
-1968 bombing pause by Johnson
-Comparisons
-Haldeman’s view
-Nguyen Van Thieu
-Possible reaction to proposed settlement
-Kissinger
-Hanoi
-Role
-Kissinger’s view
-Thieu
-Possible reaction
-Paris peace talks
-Use of the term coalition
-State Department request
-Council for National Concord
-Thieu’s reaction
-Kissinger’s itinerary
-Forthcoming trip to Paris
-Saigon
-1972 election
-Type of settlement
-1972 election
-Kissinger’s attitude
-[Nancy S. Maginnes]
-Kissinger's schedule
The President left at an unknown time after 9:30 am.
Haldeman talked with the Camp David operator at an unknown time between 9:30 am and 10:55
am.
[Conversation No. 220-12A]
[See Conversation No. 181-2]
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An unknown person talked with Haldeman at an unknown time between 9:30 am and 10:55 am.
Haldeman talked with Kissinger at an unknown time.
[End of telephone conversation]
The President entered at an unknown time before 10:55 am.
Vietnam negotiations
-Kissinger’s schedule
-The President’s schedule
-Kissinger’s suggested strategy
-Kissinger’s itinerary
-Saigon
-Thieu
-Possible outcome of settlement
-Timing
-1972 election
-Paris, Saigon, Hanoi
-Kissinger’s concern
-Cease-fire
-Kissinger’s perspective
-Motivation
-Chances for settlement before 1972 election
-Kissinger’s possible view
-Impact
-1972 election
-Young supporters of the President
-McGovern
Campaign practices
-Vietnam
-McGovern’s use of recording anonymous voice [at University of Minnesota,
October 12, 1972]
-Hypothetical use of anonymous phone call
-Press reaction
-McGovern’s press secretary [Richard Dougherty]
-McGovern
-Campaign funds
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-Stewart R. Mott
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1972 election
-Crowd sizes
-George S. McGovern's reaction
-The President's reaction
-Motorcades
-John B. Connally's reaction
-Public reactions
-Estimates of turnout for the President's appearance
-Enthusiasm level
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Vietnam negotiations
-Possible trip by Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
-Kissinger’s reaction
-Possible settlement
-Strategy
-Thieu
-Possible effect
-Thieu
-Kissinger’s trip to Saigon
Watergate and campaign practices
-Kalmbach's role
-Ehrlichman and Haldeman
-Chapin, Segretti
-Response to future revelations about Kalmbach
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-Ehrlichman’s meeting
-Meeting compared to one with William P. Rogers
-As spokesman
-Possible questions
-Comparison to Clark MacGregor and Herbert G. Klein
-Chapin
-Charges
-Time magazine
-Life magazine
-Story
-Washington compared to national focus
-Washington Post, Los Angeles Times
Foreign relations
-Roy L. Ash’s trip to Europe
-Meeting in West Germany with Franz-Josef Strauss
-Message for the President
-Kissinger
-Request from Strauss
-November 19, 1972 Bundestag elections
-Willy Brandt
-Unknown intelligence source
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-West Berlin
-Voting power
-Bundestag
-Dr. Rainer Barzel
-Christian Democratic Union [CDU]
-Egon Bahr
-Proposal
-Four power approval
-USSR, France, US
-Possible US position
-Delay
-November election
-West Berlin
-Statehood
-USSR
-Ash’s view
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-Barzel
-Strauss
-Forthcoming West German election
-Strauss’s request
-Kissinger
-Strauss’s possible view
-US-Soviet relations
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Foreign relations
-Roy L. Ash’s trip to Europe
-West Germany
-Taiwan, Republic of China
-Ash’s role
-Strauss
-Kissinger
-US-Soviet relations
-Haig
-Kissinger
-Paris negotiations
-Strauss’s message for the President
-Kissinger
-Reply to Strauss
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-Instructions for Ash
-West German election
-Kissinger
-Barzel
-Brandt
-Haig
-Kissinger
-Haldeman
-Ash’s trip
-Strauss
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The President’s schedule
-H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s response
1972 election
-Effect of action
-John B. Connally
-Forthcoming television address
-Timing
-October 20, 1972
-Schedule around World Series broadcasts
-October 17-19 and 21-22, 1972
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Watergate and campaign practices
-Charges
-Counterattack
-Chapin story in Washington Post
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-Role in White House
-Possible public reaction
-Tie to Strachan, Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Ziegler
-USC
-Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
-Response by John B. Connally to McGovern
-Focus on issues
-Forthcoming television broadcast
-Timing
-Funding
-Democrats for Nixon
-Dwayne O. Andreas
-Meeting in New York, Chicago
-Nicholas Rosa, Andreas
-Focus of request for funds
-Democrats for Nixon
-Nature of funds
-Kalmbach
-Revelations
-Existence of fund
-Reporting
-Relation to CRP
-International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT]
case
-Frank Demarco, Jr.
-Stans
-As fundraiser
-Role as the President's lawyer
-News story
-New York Times
-Control
-News media
-Handling revelations
Speeches
-Rogers
-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-Haldeman
-Colson's recommendations
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-Connally
-The Establishment and press
The press
-Washington Post, New York Times
-White House contacts
-Kissinger's meetings with Time magazine and Los Angeles Times staffs
-Life magazine
-“Dirty tricks”
Campaign practices
-McGovern's handling of charges
Vietnam negotiations
-Possible settlement
-1972 election
-Possible late October announcement
-1962 Cuban missile crisis
-Effect on the President’s gubernatorial race in
California
-John F. Kennedy
-Effect of settlement
-Possible announcement
-Public reaction
-Troop withdrawal, POWs
-Duration
-Content
-Edward M. Kennedy’s forthcoming Congressional
hearings on Watergate
-Timing
Congress
-Water bill
-Quorum
-Veto
-Chances for sustention
-Quorum
-Republicans
-Congressional action
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-Accomplishments
The President's schedule
-Return to Washington
-Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
-Robert H. Abplanalp
-Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
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1972 election
-Comparison to typical campaigns
-Effect on the President of campaigning
-Chicago, Los Angeles
-Potential effect on the President of his lead in election
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Campaign practices
-Charges
-Staff
-CRP
-Loyalty
-Comparison to 1968
-[Joe McGinniss]
-[The Selling of the President]
-Hugh W. Sloan, Jr.
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1972 election
-Washington Post story on support for the President by opinion leaders
-Organized labor
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Kalmbach
-Information on further developments
Haldeman left at 10:55 am.