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Conversation: 760-009

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Start Date: Thursday, August 3, 1972 1:12 PM

End Date: Thursday, August 3, 1972 2:41 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Woods, Rose MaryEhrlichman, John D.[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.Matson, OllieMatson, Ollie (Mrs.)Matson, BarbaraMatson, BruceChang, Marguerite S.Cashen, Henry C., IIWhite House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

760-009a.mp3

760-009b.mp3

NARA Description:

On August 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Rose Mary Woods, John D. Ehrlichman, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, Ollie Matson, Mrs. Ollie Matson, Barbara Matson, Bruce Matson, Marguerite S. Chang, Henry C. Cashen, II, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:12 am to 10:41 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 760-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 760-9

Date: August 3, 1972
Time: 9:12 am - 10:41 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.


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            The President's schedule
                -Forthcoming meeting with Herbert G. Klein and his staff
                    -Klein’s schedule
                -Forthcoming meeting with Elaine (Schwartzenburg) Edwards
                    -Photograph session
                -Forthcoming trip to Thomas B. McCabe, Jr.’s residence
                    -John N. Mitchell
                    -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                    -Robert H. Abplanalp
                    -Robert H. Finch
                         -Speech
                -Forthcoming meeting on the Sequoia
                    -Finch
                    -Klein
                    -Clark MacGregor
                    -Ronald L. Ziegler
                    -Bryce N. Harlow
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                     -John D. Ehrlichman
                     -Charles W. Colson
                     -Klein
                     -Frederic V. Malek
                         -California

Rose Mary Woods entered at 9:22 am.


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Woods left at 9:24 am.

             Woods
                -Ability to complete certain tasks
                    -Stephen B. Bull


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Ehrlichman entered at 9:44 am.

            The President's schedule
                -Forthcoming meeting with Ollie Matson
                    -Matson’s forthcoming induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame
                -The President’s meeting with Haldeman and Ehrlichman
                    -Klein
                    -Ziegler
                    -Colson

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:44 am.

            [Forthcoming meeting on the Sequoia]
                -MacGregor
                -Ziegler

            The Administration’s policies
                -George A. Smathers
                -Ford Motor Company
                    -Henry E. Ford,II

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:00 am.

                     -Ford
                 -Smathers
                     -Support for the Administration
                         -Clark M. Clifford
                 -Passage of the Edward W. Brooke amendment
                     -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s previous conversation with the
                     President
                         -The President's previous conversation with Henry A. Kissinger
                               -Vietnam negotiations
                                   -Publicity of progress
                                         -Possible effect on Brooke amendment vote
                                         -Possible effect on negotiations
                     -Leonard Garment
                     -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                     -James L. [?] Buckley
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                   -Kissinger’s conversations with Senators
                        -Charles H. Percy
                        -Charles McC. Mathias, Jr.
                        -Kissinger’s previous assistance to Senators
                             -Agnew’s previous conversation with Kissinger
              -Investigative agencies
                   -Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
                   -Department of Justice
                   -Investigations of the President after his terms as       Vice
          President
                        -Investigation of income tax returns
                        -Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC]
                   -News stories about investigations


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          Watergate
             -Washington Post article
                  -Headline

          Government investigations
             -Democrats
                 -Investigations of financial contributions
                      -George S. McGovern
                      -Democratic National Committee
                 -IRS
                 -Justice Department
                      -Anti-trust
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    -Use of administration power
    -Lawrence F. O'Brien, Jr.
         -Strategy
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Previous investigations of the President
    -1952
         -Harry S. Truman
    -1962
    -1960
         -The President’s previous meeting with Nikita S. Khrushchev
         -Dwight D. Eisenhower
-Bureaucracy
-Tom C. Huston
-IRS
    -Head [Johnnie M. Walters?]
         -David M. Kennedy
         -John B. Connally
         -George P. Shultz
    -Shultz
         -The President’s view
    -Connally
         -Haldeman’s view
              -Connally’s possible possession of IRS files
-Democrats
    -McGovern
    -O’Brien
    -IRS
    -Justice Department
    -Defense Department
         -Ehrlichman’s request
              -McGovern's service record
              -Carl S. Wallace
              -Melvin R. Laird
              -David R. Young, Jr.
                  -Daniel Ellsberg
    -Cooperation
         -Laird
         -Shultz
         -Richard G. Kleindienst
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                     -Shultz

             Personnel in government
                 -Abe Fortas
                     -Johnson
                     -Staffing of government positions
                          -IRS
                          -Justice Department
                          -Treasury Department
                 -Johnson
                 -Malek
                     -Need for list of administration appointees
                     -Phillip S. (“Sam”) Hughes
                          -General Accounting Office [GAO]
                          -Bureau of the Budget
                               -Retirement
                     -Elmer B. Staats
                          -Harlow
                 -IRS
                 -Possible appointment in education position
                     -James S. Coleman
                     -The education establishment
                          -The President’s view
                     -National Education Association [NEA]
                          -Coleman
                     -University of California, Los Angeles [UCLA]
                     -Elliot L. Richardson
                     -Coleman
                     -Need for loyalty
                     -Unknown man from Colorado
                          -Civil rights

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:44 am.

             The President's schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Matson
                     -Photograph session

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:00 am.
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            Personnel in government
                -Personnel in education
                    -Coleman
                    -David J. Armor
                         -Harvard University
                         -UCLA
                         -Busing
                -IRS
                    -Roger Barth
                         -Shultz

Ollie Matson, Mrs. Ollie Matson, Barbara Matson, Bruce Matson, Mamie S. Greene, and Henry
C. Cashen, II entered at 10:00 am. Members of the press and the White House photographer
were present at the beginning of the meeting.

            Football
                -California
                -Washington Redskins

            Introductions
                 -Bruce Matson
                 -Mrs. Ollie Matson
                 -Barbara Matson
                 -Greene

            The President's previous visit to Pro Football Hall of Fame

            Photograph
                -Ollie Matson
                     -Playing weight

            Football
                -1969 Pro Bowl football
                -[Photograph session]
                -Defensive end
                     -Gino Marchetti
                -Gene Brito
                     -Washington Redskins
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                      -Loyola University
                           -Ollie Matson
                                -University of San Francisco
                      -The President’s view
                      -Ollie Matson’s view

             Ollie Matson’s residence
                  -Los Angeles
                  -San Francisco

             Presentation of gifts by the President
                 -Cufflinks
                      -Presidential seal
                 -Pin
                 -Bracelet
                 -Tie bar
                 -Presidential seal
                      -Rug
                      -Ceiling

             Tour of the White House

             The President's reminiscence
                 -Los Angeles
                     -High schools
                          -Los Angeles, Manual Arts, Polytechnic, John C. Fremont
                 -The President’s football career

             Ollie Matson
                  -Possible anti-narcotics efforts

             Mrs. Matson
                 -San Francisco
                 -Matsons’ children
                     -Additional gifts

Ollie Matson et al., except for Haldeman and Ehrlichman, left at 10:09 am.

             The President’s meeting with Ollie Matson
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                 -Press coverage
                     -The President’s schedule
                          -Additional meetings
                     -Sports coverage
                     -Black press

             Ollie Matson
                  -The President’s view

             Media coverage
                -Black press
                     -Stanley S. Scott’s efforts
                     -Coverage of the President
                         -The President’s trip to Africa in 1960

             Democrats
                -McGovern
                -Use of federal agencies
                -Publicity

The President left at an unknown time after 10:09 am.

                 -Strategy
                      -O'Brien-Howard R. Hughes relationship
                      -Victor Riesel
                      -Jack N. Anderson
                      -Robert D. Novak
                      -Kenneth W. Clawson
                      -Bureaucracy
                      -Press
                      -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                          -Taxes

The President entered at an unknown time before 10:40 am.

                 -McGovern
                    -Image
                        -Price
                        -Thomas F. Eagleton
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                        Tape Subject Log
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        -Strategy
             -Jack Dempsey
             -Louis Firpo
    -O'Brien

International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case
     -Investigations
     -Staff efforts

Use of federal agencies
    -Ziegler
    -McGovern
         -Investigation
    -IRS
         -Colson
    -Shultz
         -Strategy
         -Press
         -Possible external tip to Shultz
         -O'Brien
              -IRS report
                   -The President
                   -F. Donald Nixon
                   -Hubert H. Humphrey
                   -Hughes Tool Company
                        -Payments
                             -Joseph N. Napolitan
              -Income
                   -Status of O’Brien’s corporation
                   -Napolitan
              -Hughes Tool payments
                   -Timing
                        -Payments to O’Brien and Napolitan compared to payments
                        to Donald Nixon
    -Humphrey
         -Strategy
         -Dwayne O. Andreas
         -[First name unknown] Cellucci [sp?]
    -Henry L. Kimelman
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         -Interior Department report
    -Jews
         -Mafia
    -IRS
    -Justice Department
         -McGovern organization
              -Incorporation
                   -John W. Dean, III
    -Cabinet
         -Reaction to Watergate
    -Investigations
         -Strategy
         -1970
         -William O. Douglas

Supreme Court
    -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming conversation with Warren E. Burger
        -Ellsberg case
             -Timing
                  -Effect on 1972 election
                      -Johnson
                      -Foreign policy
                             -Vietnam negotiations
             -Douglas
             -Strategy
             -J. Edgar Hoover

Investigations
    -Carl L. Shipley
         -J. William Middendorf, II
         -Colson
              -Advertisements
    -Oceanographic Fund case
         -Edward C. Nixon
         -SEC investigation
              -William J. Casey
    -Anti-trust
         -Administration action
         -Lawyers
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             The President’s meeting with Haldeman and Ehrlichman
                 -Colson

             Governmental operations
                -Spending ceiling
                    -Laird’s statements to the press
                        -Haldeman’s view
                             -McGovern
                    -Kissinger’s efforts with Laird
                        -Ehrlichman’s view
                             -Ziegler
                             -Press and Congress
                    -Effect on defense spending
                        -Ehrlichman’s previous Today show appearance
                        -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                             -Previous consultation with Laird
                        -Previous Cabinet meeting

Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:09 am.

             The President's schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with John S.D. Eisenhower
                     -John Eisenhower’s birthday
                          -Money clip
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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Bull left at an unknown time before 10:40 am.

             Cabinet
                 -Laird
                     -List of possible successors
                          -[David] Kenneth Rush
                               -Press reaction
                          -Connally
                          -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                     -Spending ceiling
                          -Possible statement
                               -Kissinger
                               -Weinberger
                     -William P. Rogers
                     -The President’s view
                     -Compared to Rush
                     -Haldeman’s view
                 -George W. Romney
                     -Desire to see the President
                          -Ehrlichman's role
                     -[Citizens for America]
                          -Barry M. Goldwater
                          -John W. Gardner [Common Cause]
                     -Future
                 -James D. Hodgson
                     -His future in the Cabinet
                 -Decision about second term
                     -John A. Volpe
                     -Post-election discussion
                 -Personnel decisions
                     -Romney
                     -Ehrlichman’s previous meeting with Hodgson
                          -Volpe
                          -Submission of resignation by entire staff
                 -Laird
                     -Spending ceiling
                          -Ehrlichman
                          -Weinberger
                          -Kissinger
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                 -Romney
                     -Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
                 -Cabinet reappointments

             Administration efforts to investigate political opponents

             The President's schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with John Eisenhower and David R. Young, Jr.
                     -Ehrlichman’s possible participation

Ehrlichman left at 10:40 am.

                 -Forthcoming Sequoia meeting
                     -Finch
                     -Klein
                     -Ziegler
                     -Colson
                     -Malek
                     -MacGregor
                     -Robert J. Dole
                     -MacGregor
                     -Ehrlichman
                     -Kissinger
                     -Haldeman
                          -Forthcoming Youth for Nixon event
                     -Herbert Brownell
                     -Mitchell
                     -Herbert W. Kalmbach
                 -Forthcoming trip to McCabe residence
                     -Mitchell
                 -Florida compared to Camp David
                 -Golf

Haldeman left at 10:41 am.