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Start Date: Monday, April 10, 1972 5:44 PM

End Date: Monday, April 10, 1972 6:06 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.Sanchez, ManoloNixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Dobrynin, Anatoliy F.Ziegler, Ronald L.White House operator

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:31:06

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:56:57

705a.mp3

705b.mp3

705c.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 10, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, Manolo Sanchez, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Anatoliy F. Dobrynin, Ronald L. Ziegler, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:44 pm to 1:06 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 705-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 705-13

Date: April 10, 1972
Time: 12:44 pm - 1:06 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
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                                                                    Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)


     US-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] relations
         -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin

     The President's remarks at signing ceremony of Biological Weapons Convention
          -Press release from Ronald L. Ziegler

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.

          -Copy for Kissinger
              -Ziegler

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm.

Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.

                -Delivery to the President

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm.

     The President's trip to USSR
          -Dobrynin
               -Bilateral issues
          -Arrangements
               -Kremlin
                      -Floor plan
               -Press
                      -Number
                             -Ziegler

Manolo Sanchez [?] entered at an unknown time after 12:44 pm.

     Refreshment

Sanchez [?] left at an unknown time before 12:50 pm.

     The President's trip to USSR
          -Arrangements
               -Kissinger’s telephone conversation with Dobrynin
                      -The President
                      -Dobrynin's trip to Moscow
                             -Kissinger’s trip to Japan
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)


                                -Cancellation
                     -The President
                          -Refreshments

     Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
          -Meeting with Mrs. Irini N. Dobrynin
                -Arrangements
          -Attendance at James F. Byrnes's funeral
          -Trip to Canada

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:44 and
12:50 pm.

[Conversation No. 705-13A]

[See Conversation No. 22-94]

[End of telephone conversation]

     US-USSR relations
         -Mrs. Dobrynin
              -Meeting with Mrs. Nixon
                    -Dobrynin's trip to Moscow
                         -Timing

The President talked with Mrs. Nixon between 12:50 and 12:51 pm.

[Conversation no. 705-13B]

[See Conversation No. 22-95]

[End of telephone conversation]

     US-USSR relations
         -Dobrynin
              -Kissinger’s call
              -Mrs. Nixon's tea with Mrs. Dobrynin
                    -Arrangements
         -The President's conversation with George R.S. Baring [Earl of Cromer]

Henry A. Kissinger talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:51
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                                       Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)


and 12:59 pm.

[Conversation No. 705-13C]

[See Conversation No. 22-96]

[End of telephone conversation]

     US-USSR relations
         -Mrs. Nixon's tea with Mrs. Dobrynin
              -The president's conversations with Dobrynin and the Earl of Cromer
              -Arrangements
                    -Media coverage
              -Trips to Canada and South Carolina
                    -Timing

     Vietnam
          -South Vietnam
               -Message to Gen. Nguyen Van Thieu
                    -Impact on Thieu’s morale

     The President's remarks at signing ceremony
          -Gerard C. Smith
          -Preparation
          -Press coverage
          -Kissinger’s view
               -Preparation

     Vietnam
          -Richard M. Helms
               -Call from Kissinger
                     -B-52 strike
                          -Timing
               -Support for the President

     The President's remarks at recent signing ceremony
          -Arms control
               -Use of force
                      -Responsibility for phrase
                      -The President’s trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
               -"Great powers"
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)


                       -Intervention in other countries

Kissinger talked with Dobrynin at an unknown time between 12:51 and 12:59 pm.

[Conversation No. 705-13D]

[See Conversation No. 22-97]

[End of telephone conversation]

     US-USSR relations
         -Kissinger’s conversation with Dobrynin
              -Vietnam
                    -Negotiations
                         -Public proposals
                         -Public pressure on US
                               -Response

     Vietnam
          -North Vietnamese offensive
               -Chances of South Vietnamese success

Ziegler entered at 12:59 pm.


     Press briefing
           -The President's remarks at recent signing ceremony
                 -Gerald L. Warren
                 -Vietnam
                       -USSR
                            -Dobrynin
                 -Responsibilities of great powers
                       -Encouragement not to use force
           -Soviet role
                 -Public remarks

     The President's remarks at recent signing ceremony
          -Kissinger’s view

Ziegler left at 1:02 pm.
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)


    Kissinger’s schedule
         -Meeting with unknown person

    Vietnam


**************************************************************************

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 37s ]


    VIETNAM


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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         -Soviet ships into Hanoi
              -Surveillance
                    -Presidential approval
                    -Air
                    -Destroyers
                    -Soviet reaction
         -Blockade
              -Mines
                    -Preparations

    Biological Warfare Convention Treaty signing ceremony
         -Arms Control and Disarmament Agency [ACDA]
         -The President's remarks on US-USSR relations
               -Dobrynin
         -Value
         -Timing
               -Moscow summit
                    -Cancellation
                          -Possible fall of South Vietnam
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                         Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)


Vietnam
     -North Vietnamese offensive
          -Stakes in war for US
               -Compared with Boer war
                     -Unknown person
                     -British and French
               -Compared with Algerian war
               -Credibility of US foreign policy
                     -Domino theory
               -Compared with Spanish civil war
                     -Difference of time periods
               -Soviet arms
          -Impact on Middle East
               -Kissinger’s talk with Dobrynin
                     -Israel
                     -Possible outcome
          -Impact on Berlin treaty
               -[David] Kenneth Rush
                     -Development of treaties

US-USSR relations
    -Mrs. Nixon
         -Meeting with Mrs. Dobrynin
               -Briefing paper
                     -Kissinger’s office
         -Meeting with Kissinger
    -Kissinger’s meeting with President and Mrs. Nixon
         -Talking points
         -Kissinger’s parents
               -Kennedy Center

The President's schedule
     -Meeting with Kissinger's parents
          -Photographs
          -Time
          -Duration
     -Reception for National Alliance of Businessmen
     -Meeting with Kissinger's parents
          -Louis Kissinger
                 -Age
          -Time
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 705-13 (cont.)



Kissinger left at 1:06 pm.