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Start Date: Saturday, March 18, 1972 6:24 PM

End Date: Saturday, March 18, 1972 8:40 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Sanchez, ManoloColson, Charles W.Eisenhower, Julie NixonNixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Drown, HelenBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:28:29

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:47:07

688a.mp3

688b.mp3

688c.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 18, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Manolo Sanchez, Charles W. Colson, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Helen Drown, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:24 pm to 3:40 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 688-018 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 688-18
                                              24

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)




Date: March 18, 1972
Time: 1:24 pm - 3:40 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Manolo Sanchez and Charles W. Colson.

     Refreshment

     International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case
           -Sanchez
                -Jack N. Anderson
                -Cuban friends

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:21 pm.

     ITT case
          -Dita D. Beard
          -Statement
                -Anderson
                -Typewriter
                -James O. Eastland
                -Committee members
                -Alger Hiss case
                -Press
                     -Use
                           -Evidence
                           -Bias
                -Effect
                -Reason
                     -Timing
                           -Bartender
                           -Doorman
                                             25

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Privacy]
[Duration: 41s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:24 pm.

     Pipe
            -Oval Office

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:21 pm.

     ITT
            -Colson’s efforts
                 -Former Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] employee

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:24 pm.

     Ashtray

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 2:21 pm.

     ITT case
          -Former CIA employee
          -E. Howard Hunt, Jr. [?]
               -Investigation in Denver
                    -Disguise
                    -Interview with Beard
                    -Psychological warfare
                           -Fidel Castro
                                            26

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Privacy]
[Duration: 1m 39s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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         -Memorandum
             -Fraud
             -Committee
                  -Marlow W. Cook
                  -Edward J. Gurney
                  -Hugh Scott
                  -Edward M. Kennedy
                  -John V. Tunney
             -Scott's talk with Eastland
             -Cook
                  -Scott
                  -Scott's talk with Colson
                  -Close hearings
                          -Anderson
                          -Richard G. Kleindienst
             -Fraud


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Privacy]
[Duration: 4s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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                                    27

                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/06)
                                                      Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

      -Pearl L. Tytell
           -Typewriter expert
           -Electric typewriters
                 -Ribbons
                 -Age of type
                 -Ribbon use
                       -Timing
           -Tytell’s statement
                 -Credibility
-Destruction of files
-Leaks
-Anderson
-Beard memorandum
-Committee
      -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] report
      -Former head of the documents section
           -Chemical analysis
           -Talk with Colson
           -Robert C. Mardian
           -Tytell
                 -Reliable tests
                 -Independent laboratory
           -J. Edgar Hoover
           -Anderson
-Beard
-Health
      -Colson's operative [Hunt]
           -Deposition
           -Rush release
-Compared to Hiss case
-Attack the witness
      -Whitaker Chambers
           -Kleindienst
-FBI analysis of the Beard memorandum
      -Tytell
      -Chemical analysis
           -Ribbons on typewriters
           -Timing of use
           -Press conference
      -Committee
-Beard's secretary
-Affidavit
                                   28

                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

     -Differences in memorandum
            -The President
                  -John N. Mitchell
-Beard's testimony
-Anderson
     -Typing
            -Ability
            -Opal Ginnis
            -Ted Rodgers
-Beard
-Access to office building
     -Alarm system
     -Beard's present secretary
     -Colson's operative [Hunt]
     -Beard's story
     -Access to office building
     -Typed memorandum
            -Tytell
                  -Timing
                  -Analysis
                        -FBI
                             -Reliability
                             -Mardian
                             -Former head of documents section
     -Woman in Canada
            -Interrogation
                  -INTERTEL
            -Affidavit
                  -New York Daily News story
                  -Leaks
                        -Secret Service
                             -Wiretaps
                             -Anderson
     -William R. Merriam
            -Affidavit
     -Committee
     -Kennedy
            -Beard's testimony
            -Eastland and Roman L. Hruska
                  -Colson’s knowledge of Beard’s testimony
                        -Source [Hunt?]
            -Kennedy
                                  29

                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                         Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

            -Michael J. Mansfield
                  -Beard's testimony
            -Anderson
      -Tunney
            -The President's talk with John D. Ehrlichman
                  -Talk with Kennedy
                       -Documents
                              -Location
                              -Federal Communications Commission [FCC]
                                   -Subpoena
                                   -Kennedy
                              -Memorandum for the file
                                   -Harold S. Geneen
                                         -Mitchell
                                              -Peter G. Peterson
                                              -John B. Connally
                                              -Ehrlichman
                                              -Colson
                                              -Spiro T. Agnew
-Geneen
-Peter M. Flanigan
      -Blair House receptions and Cabinet Room receptions
            -The President
            -Geneen's presence
            -Embarrassment
            -1970 election
      -Testimony
-Justice Department
-Kleindienst
      -Call from the President
            -Reasons
      -Richard W. McLaren
            -Television appearance
            -Mitchell
            -Case
            -Face the Nation appearance
-Scott, Hruska and Eastland
-Briefing on busing
      -Mention of ITT
            -Judiciary Committee
-Committee
      -Press
                                              30

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

           -Beard
                -Colson
                -Statement
                -Schedule
                -Testimony
           -Opal Ginnis [sp?]
                -Tunney and Kennedy
                -Anderson
                      -Anderson’s secretary

The President left and Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 1:24 pm.

     Refreshments
          -Colson

Sanchez left and the President entered at an unknown time before 2:21 pm.

     Refreshments

     ITT
           -Kleindienst
           -Confirmation
                 -Justice Department
                       -Press conference
                       -Committee
                       -Colson’s view
           -Anderson
           -Beard
           -Statements
                 -Questions
                 -Kennedy
           -Files
           -Colson
                 -Peterson
                 -Connally
                 -Flanigan
                 -Peterson
                 -Statements
                       -Balance of payments issue
                            -Corporation
                       -Trust
                       -Stock in ITT
                                           31

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

                          -Felix Rohatyn
              -Flanigan
         -Committee investigations
         -Reveal double standard
              -Editorial or column
                    -Anderson
                    -Joseph McCarthy
              -Same procedures as courts
              -The President
              -Business
              -Procedures
              -Standardized
              -Press
              -Colson's staff member
              -Anderson
              -Louis P. Harris
              -Polls


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 23s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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    ITT case
         -Polls
         -Harris
               -Days involved
               -The People's Republic of China [PRC]
         -Anderson
         -Kennedy
         -Press reaction
         -Washington Post
               -Ronald L. Ziegler
               -The President
                                           32

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

                   -White House involvement
                   -Colson's talk with Ziegler
                   -Briefings
         -Anderson
         -Waiter
               -Anderson's secretary
                     -Press investigation
         -Polls
         -Harris
               -Politician's charges
                     -Beard
                     -Flanigan
                     -White House involvement
                     -Corporate record
                     -Campaign contribution
                     -Questions
                     -Campaign contributions
                           -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
                           -Disclosure of funds
                                 -Labor unions
                                       -Henry Ford II
                                       -Muskie


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 59s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7

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              -Approval
                   -Harris
                        -Reprint
                   -Percentages
                   -The PRC trip
                                             33

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)



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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 12s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8

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               -Approval
                    -Four categories
                         -Percentages
                    -The PRC trip
                    -Categories
                    -Support
                    -Personal confidence
                         -Percentages
                         -Question

    Busing speech, March 16, 1972
         -Richard M. Scammon
              -Talk with Colson
         -Leonard Garment
              -The President's talk with Ehrlichman
         -Reactions
              -Liberals
              -Southerners
         -Colson's office
              -Talks with editors in border and southern states
                    -Interventions
              -Talks with community leaders
         -Moratorium vote
              -Muskie
              -Kennedy
              -Hubert H. Humphrey
              -George S. McGovern
              -Humphrey
                    -Robert J. Dole
                          -Speech
                                           34

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)




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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 8m 1s ]

JULIE NIXON EISENHOWER TALKED WITH THE PRESIDENT BETWEEN 2:21 and 2:22
PM.

[CONVERSATION NO. 688-18A]

[SEE CONVERSATION NO. 21-110; ONE ITEM HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN]

[END OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9

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    Economy
        -Herbert Stein
             -Retail sales figures
        -Housing


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 4m 2s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10

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    ITT case
                                              35

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

         -Democrats
         -Committee hearings
              -Media
         -Beard statement
         -Press
         -Kenneth W. Clawson
         -Beard statement
         -Networks
              -Notification
                    -John A. Scali
         -Beard
         -Colson's operative [Hunt?]
              -Anderson


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
[Privacy]
[Duration: 3s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11

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              -Memorandum
         -White House
              -Republican party
              -Secretary
              -Affidavit
              -Memorandum
              -Typewriter analysis
                    -FBI
                    -Tytell’s investigation
                    -FBI
                         -Dye tests
                    -Committee
                         -Possibilities
                    -Compared to Hiss case
              -Beard’s testimony
                    -Reaction
                                           36

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

                 -Daniel L. Schorr
                      -Children
                      -Husband

    Arthur K. Watson
         -Foreign Relations Committee hearings
               -Franck F. Church
         -Anderson
               -Press
         -State Department career employees

    Lifestyles


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13
[Privacy
[Duration: 2s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13

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         -Carl B. Albert
         -[Thomas] Hale Boggs
         -Watson
               -Behavior on an airplane


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 6s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO.14

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                                       37

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)




ITT case
     -Beard
           -Lobbyist
     -Children
           -Health
                 -Status
                 -Kennedy
                       -Committee members
     -Testimony
     -Beard
     -Scott, Hruska
     -Eastland
     -Scott
     -Cook
           -Note from the President
           -Talk with Colson
     -Eastland
     -Cook
           -The President's schedule
           -Note from the President
           -Talk with Colson
           -Senate
                 -Instructions
                 -Press
     -Senate Committee
           -The President as a member of the committee
           -Colson
                 -Questions
                       -Anderson
                 -Procedures
                 -Anderson
     -The Administration
     -The committee
     -Kennedy
           -Tunney
           -Hruska
     -Credibility of witnesses
     -Anderson
           -Brit Hume
     -Albert, Boggs
                                             38

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

         -Gerald R. Ford
              -Anderson

    1972 campaign
         -Democratic party
         -Finances
              -John V. Lindsay
                   -New York
                   -Colson’s investigation
                   -Hundred dollar rule
                   -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                   -White House strategy

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 17
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 4m 40s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 17

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    Campaign financing
        -Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971
             -Administration response
                   -Committee to Re-elect the President [CRP]
                   -States
                         -Expenditures disclosure
                              -Florida
                              -New Hampshire

    Economics
        -Herbert Stein
        -Industrial production figures
        -Unemployment
              -Seasonal adjustment
              -Percentage
              -Insured claims
        -Retail sales figures
                                         39

                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

          -New system
          -Stein
                -Economists’ view
     -Gross National Product [GNP]

ITT case
     -Colson’s office
          -Efforts
          -Press
                -Bias
          -Books by Edith Efron and James Keogh

Campaign practices
    -Monitoring system
    -Richard M. Scaife
         -Description
               -Ralph Nader
               -Federal Communications Commission [FCC]
               -Law suits
                    -Simpson tapes at Vanderbilt University

ITT case
     -White House strategy
           -Agnew’s speech
                -Attack on the press
                -New York Times
     -Mitchell
     -Testimony
     -Geneen
     -United Press International [UPI] story
           -Mardian
           -Merriam
     -UPI
           -Story
                -Apology
     -Networks
     -Geneen
           -Hearings
                -Contribution
                      -San Diego
                            -Politics compared to business
     -Beard memorandum
                                             40

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

          -Peterson
                -Evidence
                -FCC
                     -Subpoena
                     -Ehrlichman's conversation with William J. Casey concerning files
          -Kleindienst confirmation
          -Documents
          -Anderson
          -Memorandum
          -Hoax

     The President’s schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 18
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 5m 14s ]


[NO CONVERSATION]

THELMA C. (“PAT’) NIXON, JULIE NIXON EISENHOWER, HELENE DROWN, AND
BULL ENTERED AND THE PRESIDENT LEFT AT 3:08 PM.

THE PRESIDENT RETURNED AT AN UNKNOWN TIME BEFORE 3:10 PM.


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 18

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Mrs. Nixon, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Drown and Bull left at 3:10 pm.

     Democrats
         -ITT
         -Other issues
               -PRC
               -Soviets
                                               41

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

                -Busing

     Busing
          -Speech
          -Statement
                -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                -Length
          -As issue
                -Blacks
          -Polls
                -Harris
                -Muskie
                -Humphrey

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:10 pm.

     Delivery of an unknown item

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:40 pm.

     Busing
          -Polls
                -American public opinion
                -The President’s televised speeches and press conferences
                     -Public reaction
                            -PRC
                -Harris's positive compared to negative
                     -Maine
                     -Muskie
                     -Democrats

     Wage and Price Board
         -Polls
               -Harris
                    -Lack of confidence
               -Economy
                    -Prices
                          -Dr. C. Jackson (“Dan”) Grayson, Jr.
         -Longshoremen strike
               -Labor
               -Shultz
                    -Talk with Colson
                                            42

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

              -International Brotherhood of Teamsters
                     -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
                          -Fitzsimmons's talk with Colson
                                -Plans
                     -Ohio
                          -George T. Bell
                          -Voting
                          -James R. (“Jimmy”) Hoffa's release from prison
                                -Editorials
                                -Letters
                                -Public reaction
         -Shultz
         -The President’s address to the nation, August 15, 1971
         -Colson's talk with Shultz and Connally
              -Public reaction
              -Longshoremen strike
         -Food prices
              -Consumer Price Index [CPI]
                     -Announcement
                          -Stein

    Forthcoming reports
         -Neil H. McElroy report
         -National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse
               -Legalization of marijuana
         -Population Commission
         -Scammon


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 19
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 33s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 19

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    The President's schedule
                                         43

                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

     -Press conference
          -Office compared to television

Economy
    -Press
         -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
         -CPI
              -Stein
              -Figures
                    -Administration handling

ITT case
     -Media
     -Beard
     -Hearings
     -Colson's talk with Haldeman
     -Press conference
     -President’s press conference
           -Investigation
           -Kleindienst confirmation
     -White House
           -Mitchell's statement
           -Beard's testimony
           -Mitchell's statement
           -Flanigan
           -Testimony
           -Flanigan
                 -Statement
                 -Committee members
                 -Kleindienst
                 -Vote
                       -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
                            -Executive privilege
                 -Testimony
                 -Executive privilege
                       -Colson's talk with Patrick J. Buchanan
                 -Statement
                 -Beard

Press conference
      -Questions
           -ITT
                                        44

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

          -Price Board
                -CPI
          -Politics
          -Busing
                -Moratorium and legislation
                      -Constitutionality
                            -Courts
                            -Legislative process
                                  -14th Amendment
                            -Scammon
                                  -Compared to income tax
                            -Public opinion
                            -Leftists
                -March 16, 1972 speech
                      -Leftists
                            -Social planning
                            -Buchanan
                            -American children
                                  -"Guinea pigs"
                                        -Ehrlichman
                                  -Agnew's speeches
                                  -Strom Thurmond
                                  -George C. Wallace
                      -Telephone calls
                            -Colson and his staff
                                  -Labor and ethnics
                                  -Peter J. Brennan
                -Constitutional amendment
                -Polls
                      -Blacks
                      -Professionals
                            -Blacks
                            -Whites
                -Muskie
                -Speech
                      -Wording
                            -Better education
                            -Neighborhoods
                -American public opinion

Colson's schedule
     -ITT
                                            45

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 688-18 (cont.)

                -Investigators
                -Phone calls
                -Lab tests
                -Lawyer
                -Anderson
                     -Hume
                -Committee
                -Questions
                     -Kennedy
                           -Cook
                           -Hume
                     -Colson's role
                -Memorandum
                     -Authenticity
                     -Anderson's story
                     -Beard
                     -Typewriter
                     -Kennedy's comment
                -Reporter
                -Colson's role
                -Bartender
                -Anderson's secretary
                     -Cabinet officials
                     -Senators and congressmen
                     -Anderson
                     -Cook
                           -Questioning
                     -Colson’s efforts

Colson left at 3:40 pm.