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Conversation: 665-006

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Start Date: Thursday, February 3, 1972 4:53 PM

End Date: Thursday, February 3, 1972 6:30 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Woods, Rose MaryHaldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Sanchez, ManoloKissinger, Henry A.White House operatorEisenhower, Julie Nixon

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:31:25

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:58:17

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NARA Description:

On February 3, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Rose Mary Woods, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, and Julie Nixon Eisenhower met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:53 am to 1:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 665-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 665-6

Date: February 3, 1972
Time: 11:53 am - 1:30 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Rose Mary Woods and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Memorandum for William P. Rogers


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Privacy]
[Duration: 11s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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     President’s schedule
          -Florida
          -Forthcoming trip to People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                -Preparation
                      -Patrick J. Buchanan
                      -Talking points
                      -Henry A. Kissinger
                            -Books read by the President

     Memorandum to William P. Rogers
        -Kissinger
             -Copy of memorandum


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                                            28

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Privacy]
[Duration: 6s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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     Nellie L. Yates
           -Forthcoming conversation with Woods


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 23s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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Woods left at 11:58 am.

     Kissinger’s schedule
          -Florida
          -President’s State of World Message

     President’s schedule
          -Athletes
                -Introductions
                -Bowie K. Kuhn, Walter Kennedy, Alvin R. (“Pete”) Rozelle
                -Interest
                      -Possible attendance
                           -Wives
                -Buffet
                -Views concerning drugs
                                              29

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


                     -Seriousness of issue
          -Florida
                -George P. Shultz
                     -Location
                           -Proposal to give Shultz time off
                -Popular impression
                     -Study time for the President
                -Key Biscayne
                -Walker’s Cay
                -Haldeman
                     -Attendance
                -Manolo Sanchez
                -Camp David compared to Key Biscayne
                     -Weather

     National economy
          -Stock market
                -Trade volume
                -American Stock Exchange
                      -American buyers
                      -Institutional buying
          -Unemployment
                -Percentage
          -New jobs
                -Credit
          -Herbert Stein, Paul W. McCracken, and Shultz
                -Concern
          -Money supply
                -Shultz
                -President’s letter to Arthur F. Burns
          -Unemployment
                -Possible press coverage
                      -Acceptable percentages

     John B. Connally
          -Relationship with David M. Kennedy
               -Kissinger
               -Forthcoming meeting with Haldeman and Peter M. Flanigan

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 11:58 am.
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)



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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 11s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5

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     Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:34 pm.

     Kennedy
         -Forthcoming meeting with Flanigan
         -Ambassador’s authority
         -Role with administration
              -State Department
         -Connally
              -Chain of command
         -Kissinger’s possible conversation
              -Connally
         -Kennedy’s style
              -Peter G. Peterson
         -Role with administration
              -Flanigan, Peterson, Rogers
              -Role of Ambassador specified
              -Compared to Connally
                    -Group of Ten
         -Cabinet status

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 11:58 am.

     President’s schedule
          -Florida
                -Forthcoming call to Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                -Athletes reception
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)



Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:34 pm.

     Rogers
         -Life article concerning President’s foreign policy
               -Rogers taking credit
                      -Woods’s reaction
         -Interviews concerning foreign policy
         -Credit
               -Reports
                      -Kissinger
               -China initiative, Vietnam, Cambodia
         -Kissinger’s attitude

The President left and returned at an unknown time before 12:34 pm.

     Kissinger’s relations with Rogers
          -Possible solutions
                -Resignation threat
                -Present situation
          -Articles
          -State Department

     Kissinger

     Rogers
         -Role with Administration
               -Relations with the President, Kissinger
                     -Spokesman
         -Kissinger’s conversation with Marshall Green
         -State Department
         -Memorandum to the President
               -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                     -Kissinger
                     -The President’s memorandum to Rogers
         -Compared to Kissinger
               -Attitude
         -Statements concerning President
         -Attitude
               -John N. Mitchell
               -Benjamin C. Bradlee and Katharine L. Graham
                                               32

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


          -Bradlee’s conversation with Kissinger, February 2, 1972
                -Rogers’s job performance
                -State Department
                -Kissinger’s views
                -Bradlee’s views
          -Graham’s conversation with Peterson
                -Length
                -Haldeman’s possible conversations with Peterson
          -Bradlee’s views on Rogers
                -Comparisons
                      -Concern
                      -Rogers’s emotions
          -President’s schedule
                -Key Biscayne
                      -Kissinger
          -Call to President, February 2, 1972
                -Irish Foreign Minister’s [Patrick Hillery’s] arrival
                      -Statement
                -Edmund S. Muskie
                -Ireland
                      -Edward R.G. Heath
                      -William R. Buckley, Jr.
                            -US position

     Ireland
           -Terrance Cardinal Cooke

     Rogers
         -Role with Administration
               -[Earl of Cromer] Georges R.S. Baring
               -Ireland
                     -Hillery
         -Rogers’s quest for publicity
               -President’s upcoming trip to PRC
                     -Kissinger
         -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
         -Attitude
               -Recognition

Woods entered at 12:34 pm.
                                            33

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


     Memorandum to Rogers
        -Kissinger

[The President talked with Kissinger at an unknown time between 12:34 pm and 12:36 pm.]

[Conversation No. 665-6A]

     Memorandum to Rogers
        -Distribution
              -Woods
              -Sanchez
        -Kissinger’s schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

     Memorandum to Rogers
        -Sanchez

Woods left at 12:36 pm.

     Rogers
         -Intellectuals
               -Possible actions
               -Bradlee and Graham
                     -Attitude toward the President
                     -Kissinger
               -Possible actions
         -Experience as Attorney General
         -State Department
               -National Security Council [NSC]
                     -Kissinger
               -Marshall Green
                     -Working group meeting
                           -President’s upcoming PRC trip
                                 -Rogers’s action
         -President’s forthcoming State of the World message
               -State Department’s role
                     -Rogers’s contribution
                           -Kissinger
                           -PRC
                                            34

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


     State Department
           -Robert S. Ingersoll
                -Interview with Japanese press
                -Congress
           -Views concerning Ambassadorship to Japan
                -Foreign Service
           -Kissinger
                -Outlook
                      -Presidency

     Rogers
         -Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Kissinger entered at 12:43 pm.

     President’s forthcoming memorandum
          -PRC
          -Kissinger’s opinion
                -Wording
          -Rogers

     Dobrynin
         -Conversation with Kissinger, February 3, 1972
              -Length of conversation
              -State Department

     Rogers
         -President’s forthcoming memorandum
               -European security, trade

     Kenneth B. Keating
         -Conversation with Nelson A. Rockefeller
               -Keating’s possible location
                    -New York
               -Campaign activities

     Rogers
         -President’s forthcoming memorandum
               -US-Soviet trade with USSR
                    -Views of Maurice H. Stans and Peter G. Peterson
                           -Importance to USSR
                                            35

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


                -Middle East

     Middle East
         -USSR
         -Egypt

     Rogers
         -President’s forthcoming memorandum
               -Praise

Rose Mary Woods entered at 12:46 pm.

          -Distribution
                -Contents of memorandum

Woods left at 12:47 pm.

     US relations with USSR
          -Staff roles
          -High interest
                -Peterson
                       -East-West trade
          -President’s forthcoming trip to USSR
          -President’s forthcoming trip to PRC
                -Peking compared with Moscow
                -Washington Star article
                       -Timing
                             -Possible story leanings
                -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
          -Michael J. Mansfield
                -Possible leaniness
          -President’s forthcoming trip to USSR
                -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                -Middle East
                -Vietnam
                -Trade
                -SALT
                       -Submarines
                -Middle East
                       -Possible US concessions
                       -Israel
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


                            -US guarantees
                                 -Planes

[The White House operator talked with Haldeman at an unknown time between 12:47 pm and
12:49 pm.]

[Conversation No. 665-6B]

[See Conversation No. 20-44]

[Julie Nixon Eisenhower talked with the President between 12:49 pm and 12:51 pm.]

[Conversation No. 665-6C]

[See Conversation No. 20-45; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

     President’s schedule
          -Yeygeny Yevtushenko
                -Agenda
                      -Mood of US
                      -Vietnam

     Yevtushenko
          -Conversation with Kissinger at Jacob K. Javits’s dinner
                -The President’s PRC initiative
          -Political views
                -Liberals
                -Support for Vietnam

     PRC trip
         -Briefing books
               -Buchanan
               -Press conference

     President’s schedule
          -Television
                -Trip to PRC
                -President’s opinion
          -Trip to PRC
                -Toasts
                      -Chou En-Lai
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


                -Context
     -Illness
           -Vernon C. Coffey, Jr.
     -Travel
           -Status of individuals
     -Banquet
           -Kissinger’s possible measures
           -Chou En-Lai
     -Media coverage
           -Justification
     -President’s conversation with Mansfield, February 3, 1972
           -Japan
           -India
           -Foreign relations implications
                 -News summaries
                        -Buchanan
                 -Taiwan
           -Critics
                 -Potential motives
     -Eisaku Sato’s conversation with President
           -Request from Sato
     -Foreign relations implications
           -Vietnam
           -Japan
                 -US commitment
           -India
           -USSR
           -PRC
     -Popular reaction
           -President’s barber
     -Vietnam
           -Military situation
                 -Pleiku
                 -Comparisons to 1968
     -PRC trip
           -Media coverage
                 -The President’s peace proposal speech, January 25, 1972
-Press conference
     -Format
           -PRC trip
     -Agenda
                                          38

                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


                 -Edmund S. Muskie
                 -Budget
                 -Dock strike
                 -Connally
     -Kissinger
           -President’s forthcoming meetings in PRC
                 -Talking points
                 -Proposed opening statement
                 -Chou En-lai
           -Florida
                 -Timing
                      -Andre Malraux
                      -Kissinger’s schedule
     -Florida
           -Connally

Forthcoming trip to PRC
     -Possible press coverage
           -Barbara Walters
           -Briefings for the press
                 -Kissinger
                       -Briefing in Hawaii
                 -Rogers’s role
                 -Communiqué
                 -Rogers
                       -Marshall Green
     -First plenary session
           -Chou En-lai
     -Rogers
           -PRC foreign minister
                 -Influence
                 -Chou En-lai
           -Role
     -Agreements on culture and science
           -Kissinger’s instructions
     -Kissinger’s briefing in Hawaii
     -Press briefings
           -Hawaii
           -PRC trip
                 -Substantive briefings
                 -President’s relationship with the press
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 665-6 (cont.)


                             -Instructions
                      -Importance of PRC trip
                             -PRC impressions
                 -Possible farewell party
                      -Potential sensitivities

Kissinger left at 1:12 pm.

           -Press briefings
                 -Kissinger compared to Rogers
                       -Avoidance of problem
                 -President’s role
           -President’s role compared to Kissinger’s
                 -Possible perception by the press
                 -Communique

     Rogers
         -Role with administration
              -Potential team player
                    -Credit
              -Bradlee’s conversation with Kissinger
                    -Washington Post
                    -Intellectuals
                    -Rogers’s tenure

Haldeman left at 1:30 pm.