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Start Date: Thursday, January 20, 1972 6:33 PM

End Date: Thursday, January 20, 1972 7:15 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Bull, Stephen B.MacGregor, ClarkColson, Charles W.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:21:17

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:03:39

652a.mp3

652b.mp3

NARA Description:

On January 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Clark MacGregor, Charles W. Colson, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:33 pm to 2:15 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 652-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 652-5

Date: January 20, 1972
Time: 1:33 pm - 2:15 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull and Clark MacGregor.

       Charles W. Colson
            -Schedule

       The President’s schedule
            -Taping
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)



                  -Unknown technician

Bull left at an unknown time before 1:37 pm.

       State of the Union Address, January 20, 1972
             -MacGregor’s view
             -MacGregor’s viewing on TV
                    -Commentary by Paul Duke and Herbert E. Kaplow
                         -The President’s expectations of Congress
                                -Welfare reform
                                -Revenue-sharing
                                -Government reorganization
                                -Environment
                    -Commentary by Hugh S. Sidey, Charles L. Bartlett and unknown black
                      woman
                         -Shirley Chisholm
                         -Politics
                                -Democrats
                                -1960s issues
                                      -Demonstrations
                                            -Campuses, cities
                    -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] commentary
                    -Media commentary
                         -MacGregor’s secretary
                                -Notes
                         -Address compared with 1971 Address
                                -Language
                                      -Tone

Charles W. Colson entered at 1:37 pm.

             -Dan Rather’s commentary
                  -Democrat leadership
                  -The President’s political tone

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 1:37 pm.

             -William H. Lawrence’s commentary
                   -Strength of speech
                   -1972 election
                         -The President’s platform
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                         Conv. No. 652-5 (cont.)


                        -Economy
             -Lewis Gulick’s comments on Associated Press [AP] wire
                  -Bipartisanship
                        -Historical comparison
                              -Democrats

Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:37 pm.

       The President’s schedule
            -Taping

Bull left at an unknown time before 2:05 pm.

       State of the Union Address
             -John F. Kennedy comparison
             -Vietnam
             -Schools
                    -Local control
                          -Reception by audience
                                -Hubert H. Humphrey and Edmund S. Muskie
                                      -Applause
             -CBS
                    -Daniel L. Schorr’s analysis
                          -West Coast dock strike
                                -Reception by audience
                                -Congress
                                -Humphrey’s and Muskie’s reception
             -Edward M. Kennedy’s reception
             -CBS commentary
                    -The President’s ad-lib
             -Future media coverage
                    -The President’s schedule
                          -Tom McCall
                          -Daniel J. Evans
                    -The President’s statement from Florida, January 21, 1972
                    -Calls to Ronald W. Reagan and others
                          -Reactions to speech
                                -Publicity
             -William E. Brock, III’s views
                    -Challenge to Congress
             -Hugh Scott’s views
                                         9

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 652-5 (cont.)


        -Michael J. Mansfield’s views
               -Tax measures
        -Political strategy
        -Kaplow’s commentary
               -Neil H. McElroy Commission on school finance
               -Advisory Committee on Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR]
                      -The President’s concern and initiative
                      -Muskie’s reaction to the President’s reference
                            -Humphrey
                      -Muskie’s role on committee
                            -Attendance at meetings
        -National interest
        -Tone
        -Conclusion
               -Contrast with Edward Kennedy’s National Press Club speech, January 17,
                        1972
               -State of nation
                      -Compared to Edward Kennedy’s and Muskie’s statements
        -Confidence in government
        -Congressional reaction
               -Wright Patman
                      -Forthcoming Gross National Product [GNP] figures
               -Gerald R. Ford
                      -1972 election
               -Margaret C. Smith
               -George D. Aiken
        -Smith
               -Appearance
               -Age
               -Reelection
               -Compared with Aiken
         -Republican Congressional leaders
               -Mood

Scott
        -Commentaries from Pennsylvania newspapers
               -Delivery to MacGregor
        -1972 election
               -Pennsylvania
        -Political work
                                        10

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 652-5 (cont.)


Congressional breakfast, January 19, 1972
     -William E. Timmons and MacGregor
     -Scott
     -Ford
     -Robert P. Griffin
     -Leslie C. Arends
     -The President’s submitted State of the Union Address
            -Recommendations
                 -Raymond K. Price, Jr.’s incorporation into address
    -Republican Congressional leaders
            -Mood

Congress
     -Recess
     -State of the Union Address
           -Election year

State of the Union Address
      -Approach avoided
      -The President’s treatment of Congress
      -Roger H. Mudd’s comment
             -Political impact
      -Political impact
      -Statesmanship
      -Length
             -Compared to previous addresses
                    -Dwight D. Eisenhower
             -Price’s view
      -Specific passage
             -Response to the nation’s critics
             -Impact
      -State of nation
      -Credit for the Administration
             -Vietnam
                    -Casualties
                    -Troop withdrawals
      -Congressional recess
             -Griffin’s view of submitted address
                    -Lincoln Day speeches
      -Use by Congressmen
      -National defense issue
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 652-5 (cont.)


           -Response
                 -Republicans
                 -Gale W. McGee
                 -John C. Stennis
                 -John N. Ashbrook
                 -Barry M. Goldwater
     -J. William Fulbright’s reaction
           -John V. Brennan’s observation
                 -Muskie
                 -Humphrey
           -John Sherman Cooper’s views of Fulbright
                 -Partisanship
                 -Cooper’s reaction at meetings of Senate Foreign Relations Committee
     -Welfare reform
           -Work
                 -Lincoln Day speeches
                 -Reagan
     -Family assistance issue
           -Reaction received by Colson
           -Patrick J. Buchanan
     -Welfare reform
           -Trial program
           -Conservative response

Congress
     -The Administration’s possible political strategy
          -Democrats
                -Partisanship
                       -Allegations by MacGregor’s office
                             -Duration
                -Attendance at sessions
                -Passage of the President’s legislation
                       -Official daily reminder by Republicans
                             -Number of presidential initiatives
                             -Scheduling
          -Public view
                -Polls
          -Passage of the President’s legislation
                -State of the Union reference
                       -Proposals
                             -Budget
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 652-5 (cont.)


                                     -Bipartisanship
                        -Timetable for conciliation
                              -June 1972
                              -Democratic National Convention
                              -The President’s trip to Soviet Union
                        -Official daily reminders by Republicans
                              -Samuel L. Devine
                              -Robert J. Dole
                                     -Humor
                              -Scheduling
                              -Democrat reaction
                                     -Sensitivity
                        -Dock strike
                              -Possible hearings

       The President’s schedule
            -Meeting with Republican leaders
                  -MacGregor’s coordination with Haldeman
                  -Scheduling

MacGregor and Colson left at 2:05 pm.

       State of the Union Address
             -Tone
             -Delivery
             -Reception
                    -Kennedys

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 2:05 pm.

       Refreshments

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 2:15 pm.

       White House staff
            -Richard A. Moore
            -Sidey
                  -William L. Safire
            -Moore
                  -Ability
                  -Compared with Safire
                                       13

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 652-5 (cont.)



State of the Union Address
      -Length
             -Written compared to spoken message
      -Delivery on prime time television
             -Compared with delivery before Congress
      -Written compared to spoken message
             -Public and Congress
      -Ceremony
             -Number of attendees
             -Congress, Cabinet and Supreme Court
             -TV viewing

Henry A. Kissinger’s briefing
     -The President’s previous phone call to Kissinger
     -Humor
     -Substance

State of the Union Address
      -Press and media
             -Reaction
      -Bi-partisanship

Vietnam
     -The President’s forthcoming speech on peace plan, January 25, 1972
           -Possible impact
     -Secret negotiations
           -Ending war
     -Congressional involvement
           -Talks with North Vietnam and Vietcong
     -Secret talks
           -Publicity

Kissinger
      -Resignation
            -Effect
                  -William P. Rogers

The President’s schedule
     -Forthcoming taping session
                                               14

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 652-5 (cont.)


The President and Haldeman left at 2:15 pm.