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Start Date: Thursday, December 2, 1971 5:45 PM

End Date: Thursday, December 2, 1971 7:03 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.MacGregor, ClarkWoods, Rose MaryWhite House operatorNixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.MacGregor, ClarkWoods, Rose MaryWhite House operator

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:13:24

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:32:42

628a.mp3

628b.mp3

628c.mp3

NARA Description:

On December 2, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Clark MacGregor, Rose Mary Woods, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:45 pm to 2:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 628-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 628-8

Date: December 2, 1971
Time: 12:45 pm - 2:03 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Earl L. Butz nomination
           -Possible withdrawal
                -Patrick J. Buchanan
                      -New York Times
                      -Washington Post
                      -Farm media
                            -Support for Butz
                                 -Percentage
                            -Agri-business support
                            -Farm General
                            -Successful Farming
                                 -Support for Butz
                      -Walter J. Hickel
                            -Compared to Butz’s nomination
                      -Democrats
                            -Possible outcome
                      -Farm radio in Chicago
                            -Orion C. Samuelson
                                 -Letter to the editor
                                       -Liberals
                      -New York Times
                      -Washington Post
                      -[Forename unknown] Hershey
           -Corn price support
                -“Option 2”

     President’s schedule
          -Heads of State meetings
                -Details
                                   15

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                    Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


-Format
-Pierre E. Trudeau
-Joint statements at airports
      -Azores
            -Dr. Marcello Caetano's statement
                  -Black tie dinner
                        -British
                              -Options
-French
      -Joint luncheon
      -Henry A. Kissinger
-Caetano
      -Meeting with the President
            -Timing
-Georges J.R. Pompidou
      -Meeting with the President
            -Timing
            -Schedule
      -Joint advisors
-Lunches
-Bermuda meetings
      -Timing
      -Advisors
-Key Biscayne
      -Willy Brandt
            -Timing
      -Eisaku Sato
            -Timing
      -Foreign ministers
      -Kissinger
-People’s Republic of China [PRC]
      -Press corps
            -Reduction in numbers
-Advance men
      -Taking too much of the President’s time
            -Reduction
-Rose Mary Woods
      -Travel
-PRC
      -Kissinger
            -Written statements
                                         16

                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


                    -Unknown writer
                          -Press
                               -Traveling with the President
                    -Buchanan
                          -Experience
                          -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] trip
                               -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
               -Press
                    -William L. Safire
                    -Noel C. Koch
                    -John K. (“Cap”) Andrews
                    -Safire
                          -Previous trips
                               -European and Asian trip
                               -Camp David
                               -USSR trip
    -Azores
    -Bermuda
         -Possible press assignment
    -PRC advance
         -John A. Scali
               -Potential travel
               -Kissinger
               -Advisor role
                    -Scali
                           -Justification for travel to PRC
                                 -Potential problems
         -Gen. Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
         -Ronald L. Ziegler
         -Dwight L. Cheapen
         -Scali
               -Ziegler
                    -Comparisons
         -Kissinger-Haig meeting
         -Television coverage
               -Importance
                    -Compared to press coverage
         -Scali and Ziegler
         -Haig

Haldeman’s schedule
                                         17

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


     -Florida
           -John D. Ehrlichman [?]
           -Alexander P. Butterfield
     -Price speech
           -President’s trip to Chicago, December 1, 1971
           -Senior citizen support
                 -Amount of aid
                 -Check off
                       -President’ support of the elderly
                             -Rising costs
                 -Foster grandparents
                 -Arthur S. Flemming
                 -Earl Warren

Speech team
     -California speech
     -Speech quality
           -Apparent difficulties in writing speeches
           -Various reactions to speeches
     -Andrews
           -Haldeman’s upcoming talk with Andrews
     -Price
     -Old compared to young
           -Style

White House Conference on Aging
     -Flemming
     -Warren
     -Press
           -Compared to the White House Conference on Food, Nutrition and Health,
               December 2, 1969
               -Reactions
                    -Unknown elderly black man
                          -Emotional talk with the President
     -Ehrlichman
     -Price

Unknown man at Justice Department
    -Work style
        -Richard A. Moore
              -Previous conversations with Haldeman
                                               18

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


                -John N. Mitchell

     Speeches
          -Moore
          -Writers
                -Work
                     -Attitudes
          -Price
                -Talk with Haldeman
                -PRC trip
                     -Buchanan
                -USSR trip
                     -Price
                           -Attendance

     PRC trip
         -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon's attendance
              -Media coverage
                   -Television
                   -Street crowds
                         -Lack thereof

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:45 pm.

     Clark MacGregor
          -Tax bill
          -Butz confirmation
          -Meeting with the President

Bull left at an unknown time before 1:20 pm.

     PRC trip
         -Crowds

MacGregor entered at 1:20 pm.

     Butz confirmation
          -Senate vote
                -Result

     Tax bill
                                      19

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


     -Conferees
     -Agreement
          -Wilbur D. Mills
                -Modified check of proposal
                    -John W. Byrnes's call to MacGregor
                          -Appropriations
                                -Effective date
                    -Lawrence F. O'Brien, Jr.
                    -Fund
                          -Amount
                                -Concerns
                    -The President's signature
                          -History of tax bill
                    -Effective date
                          -Tax returns
                    -George S. McGovern
                          -Mills
                    -Charls E. Walker and Byrnes
                          -Previous conversation with MacGregor
                    -The President's statement
                          -Price
                                -Written statement
                    -Ziegler
                          -Questions
                                -Check-off
                    -1972
                    -The President's statement
                          -Options
                    -Senate
                          -Mills
                                -Proposal
                    -Democrats
                          -Speculation
                                -President’s statement
                    -O'Brien
                          -Mills
                    -House of Representatives
                    -MacGregor’s call to George P. Shultz
                          -Support

Butz confirmation
                                             20

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                          Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


             -Swearing-in
                 -Timing


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MacGregor left at 1:28 pm.

     Questions
          -Importance
               -MacGregor

     Speech
          -Environment [?]

     President’s schedule
          -National Broadcasting Corporation [NBC]
                -“A Day in the Life of the President”, December 6, 1971

     Press
             -President of Dahomey
                   -Vote
                        -State visit
             -President’s schedule
                   -Pompidou meeting
                        -Timing

Haldeman left at an unknown time before 1:33 pm.
                                                 21

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)



Bull entered at an unknown time after 1:28 pm.

     Schedule
          -Chief Justice
               -Butz nomination
                     -Harry A. Blackmun
                     -Timing
                          -Availability
                          -Butz swearing-in ceremony

Bull left and Rose Mary Woods entered at 1:33 pm.

     Call from unknown man
           -Return call from the President [?]

[Pause]


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     President’s schedule
          -NBC

     Painting by Mr. [Forename unknown] Johnson
           -Sent by unknown doctor and wife
           -The President's letter
                 -Dictation
                      -Painting
                            -Style discussed
                                              22

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 1:33 pm and
2:03 pm.

[Conversation No. 628-8A]

[See Conversation No. 15-199]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Call to an unknown person
           -Unknown White House event
                 -Performance [?]

     PRC trip
         -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
              -Pictures
              -Ziegler


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[Duration: 1m 40s ]


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     John J. McCloy
          -Letter to Woods
                -Appointments
          -Arms Control Committee
          -William W. Scranton
                -Pay Board
          -New members
                -Christmas

The White House operator talked with the President at 1:50 pm.
                                             23

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)



[Conversation No. 628-8B]

[See Conversation No. 15-200]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Letter from an unknown woman
           -Tone of letter
           -The President's possible response
           -PRC
           -United Nations [UN]
           -Letter from Woods
           -Jews
           -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo telephone call
                 -The President's instructions
           -PRC
                 -Wars
                      -Korea and Vietnam
                            -Number casualties
           -USSR summit

     Schedule
          -Visit to Washington Redskins football practice, November 23, 1971
          -Phone calls
                -[Forename unknown] Brown, building secretary [?]
                      -President’s availability
                -Kissinger
                      -Timing of phone calls
                -Butz
                -Meeting with John B. Connally
                -Brown [?]
                -The President’s location
                -Handling of
                      -Possible solutions
                -Melvin R. Laird
                -John N. Mitchell
                -Connally
                -William P. Rogers
                -Meetings
                      -Possible solutions
                                             24

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 628-8 (cont.)


                -Woods
                    -Contact

     Painting
           -MacGregor [?]

     Schedule
          -White House Conference on Aging
               -Members
                    -Jack Moore
                          -George H.W. Bush [?]
                    -Unknown man's office
                          -Bobby McMahon
                    -Robert L. King [?]
                          -President’s previous conversation with Roger E. Johnson
                          -Possible phone call between King and Johnson [?]


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[Duration: 3s ]


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Woods left at 2:03 pm.