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Conversation: 623-024

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Start Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1971 9:57 PM

End Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1971 11:07 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Mitchell, John N.Inge, SallyHaldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.White House operatorZiegler, Ronald L.Shultz, George P.Connally, John B.Brocklin, Norman Van

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 05:15:42

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 06:23:20

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623b.mp3

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623d.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, John N. Mitchell, Sally Inge, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, White House operator, Ronald L. Ziegler, George P. Shultz, John B. Connally, and Norman Van Brocklin met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:57 pm to 6:07 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 623-024 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 623-24

Date: November 23, 1971
Time: 4:57 pm - 6:07 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger and John N. Mitchell.

     Mitchell's schedule

     William L. Waller
          -James O. Eastland's comments regarding gubernatorial primary run-off
               -Opponent, Charles L. Sullivan

     William H. Rehnquist

     The President's schedule
          -Mitchell

Mitchell left at 4:59 pm.

     Kissinger's schedule
          -People's Republic of China [PRC] officials

The President talked with an unknown person [Sally Inge?] at an unknown time between 4:59
pm and 5:15 pm.

[Conversation No. 623-24A]

     The President's meeting with Kissinger

     Unknown person's forthcoming conversation with Ronald L. Ziegler
         -Handling of press briefing

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -Return call to someone
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

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                                                                   Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


    Kissinger's schedule
         -PRC

    India-Pakistan
          -Kissinger’s previous meeting with George R.S. Baring, Earl of Cromer
               -Rhodesia
               -India


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                     -Refugees
                     -Humanitarian relief
                     -Political settlement
                     -United Nations [UN]
                           -Great Britain
         -State Department
         -US policy
               -PRC
               -Soviet Union-India
         -William P. Rogers’s view
               -United Nations
                     -Possible US policy
         -The President's schedule
               -Rogers and Kissinger
               -California

    International monetary situation
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
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                                                                Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


     -John B. Connally's views
     -Kissinger's previous conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
          -George P. Shultz

The President's schedule
     -Announcement of visit by Georges J.R. Pompidou
     -Rogers
          -Haldeman
          -Forthcoming call from Kissinger
                 -Francis W. Sargent and Waller
          -Joseph J. Sisco

Kissinger's schedule
     -PRC official
           -Rogers's knowledge

The President's schedule
     -Rogers
          -Forthcoming call from Kissinger

India-Pakistan
      -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with PRC official
           -The President's previous conversation with Sadruddin Aga Khan
           -Possible UN resolution
      -Kissinger’s conversation with Chou En-lai
           -US economic aid
      -US policy
           -US economic aid
                 -The President's previous conversations with Indira Gandhi
                 -Rogers's conversation with Gandhi
                 -Kissinger’s conversation with Indian ambassador

Kissinger's schedule
     -Forthcoming meeting with PRC official
           -Vietnam
           -Pham Van Dong’s visit to PRC
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


India-Pakistan
      -US policy
           -PRC
           -India
           -State Department's views
           -Forthcoming Washington special Action Group [WSAG] meeting
           -The President's previous conversations with Gandhi
      -PRC’s views
      -US policy
           -PRC possible views
           -State Department's views
                 -Rogers's views
                 -Military assistance

Foreign visits and visitors
     -The President's schedule
           -The President's conversation with Haldeman
                 -Latin America
                 -France
                 -Germany
                       -Forthcoming US-Soviet Union Summit
                 -Japan
                 -Australia
                 -Eisaku Sato
                       -San Clemente
                       -Kissinger's schedule
                            -Possible travel
                       -PRC
                            -Pham Van Dong's visit

PRC
      -Policy
            -The President’s view
      -Soviet Union
      -The President's forthcoming visits to the Soviet Union and the PRC
      -Chou’s statements
            -Kissinger’s responses
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


     The President's schedule
          -Previous meetings with Sargent and Waller
          -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Rogers
          -Proposed Latin American trip
               -The President’s view
               -Salvador Allende Gossens
               -Juan Velasco Alvarado
               -Jose Figueres Ferrer
               -Rogers's schedule
                      -Foreign ministers
                           -The President's schedule
                                -Kissinger’s view
                                      -Proposed speech by the President

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with Rogers and Kissinger

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 5:15 pm.

     Henry A. Grunwald's letter to the President
         -Time magazine
               -"Man of the Year" award

     The President's schedule
          -Rogers
               -Kissinger's forthcoming call

Kissinger left at an unknown time before 5:33 pm.

          -Foreign visits and visitors
               -Kissinger’s view
                     -Proposed trip to Asia
                     -Proposed visit from Sato
                           -San Clemente, California
                     -Proposed Latin America trip
               -Rogers's views
          -Forthcoming meeting with Rogers
          -Possible Latin American trip
               -Rogers
               -The Vice President
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


Rogers's schedule
    -Foreign visit
           -Proposed travel with other Cabinet members
                -George W. Romney and John A. Volpe
                -Robert H. Finch's schedule
    -Haldeman
    -The President

The President's schedule
     -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
          -Forthcoming call from Haldeman
     -Time magazine interview
          -Hedley W. Donovan, Hugh S. Sidey and Grunwald
                 -Publication

Time magazine
     -"Man of the Year" award
         -Effect
         -Lyndon B. Johnson
         -John F. Kennedy

Public relations
     -The President's previous visit to Washington Redskins practice session
            -The President's previous conversation with Ziegler
                  -Ziegler's briefings
                       -The President’s view
                       -The President's previous conversation with Sally Inge
                       -Richard A. Moore
     -Unknown black reporter from Washington Star
            -Relationship with Ziegler
            -Interview with the President
     -Descriptive details from visit
            -George E. Allen

The President's schedule
     -The President's conversation with Ziegler
          -The President’s forthcoming travel
                 -Notice to press
                      -Potential schedule changes
                            -Florida
                            -California
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                              NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


                                       -Senate's schedule
                                       -Football game
                                            Time


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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:15 pm.

     Ziegler's schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 5:33 pm.

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 5:15 pm and
5:33 pm.

[Conversation No. 623-24B]

[See Conversation No. 15-117]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Wire story
          -Disloyalty

     Norman Van Brocklin
         -The President’s view
         -Philadelphia Eagles
         -National Football League [NFL] Hall of Fame

Ziegler entered at 5:33 pm.
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)



     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming trip to California
               -Notice to press
                      -Senate's schedule
                      -Carroll Kilpatrick and Mary O'Dobbins
                           -Previous conversation with Ziegler
                      -Compared to Johnson Administration
                      -John F. Kennedy
                      -Timing
                      -Press's families
                      -Possible time for return
                      -Compared to Johnson Administration
                      -Ziegler’s view
          -Forthcoming meeting with Shultz

     Peter G. Petersons' schedule
           -Foreign travel
                -The President’s view

     The President's schedule
          -Previous visit to Redskins practice session
               -Black reporter from Washington Star
                      -Previous meeting with Ziegler
                      -Possible story
                      -[Unintelligible name]
                      -Possible interview with the President
                            -Sports Illustrated

     Shultz

     Peterson

Ziegler left at 5:37 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Foreign visits and visitors
               -Kissinger's view
               -Possible trip to Latin America
               -John D. Ehrlichman
                      -Budget
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)



     Camp David
         -Renovation of Laurel Cabin
              -Architect

Shultz entered at 5:38 pm.

                -Completion date
                -Facilities
                      -Old Cabinet table

     Foreign travel
          -Peter G. Peterson's schedule

Haldeman left at 5:42 pm.

           -White House staff
           -Cabinet
           -The President's conversation with Connally
                 -Patrick J. Buchanan
                 -Kissinger
                 -Shultz
                 -Arthur F. Burns
                 -Peterson
           -Peterson
                 -The President's conversation with Kissinger
                 -The President’s view
                 -Shultz’s view

     Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meetings
               -Shultz, Connally and Ehrlichman
                      -Budget
               -Shultz, Kissinger, Connally and Burns

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 5:42 pm and
5:44 pm.

[Conversation No. 623-24C]
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)



[See Conversation No. 15-118]

[End of telephone conversation]

     CEA
           -Shultz's conversations
                -Connally and Ehrlichman
                -Milton Friedman
                       -Possible role in administration
                            -Friedman's view

The President talked with Connally between 5:44 pm and 5:47 pm.

[Conversation No. 623-24D]

[See Conversation No. 15-119]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Connally's schedule
         -Burns
                -Money supply

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with Burns
               -Shultz and Kissinger
               -Connally

     International monetary situation
           -Shultz's previous meeting with Connally and Kissinger
           -The President's schedule
                 -Forthcoming meeting with Pompidou
                       -Forthcoming Group of Ten meeting
           -Paul A. Volcker
           -Burns
           -Import Surcharge
           -Connally
                 -Trade negotiations
                       -Agriculture
           -Price of gold
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


                  -France

     CEA
             -Herbert Stein
                   -Shultz’s views
                   -Connally's views
                   -Friedman's views
             -Jews
                   -Kissinger, Stein, and Burns
             -Stein
                   -Schedule
                         -Forthcoming meeting with Shultz
                               -Views of Paul W. McCracken
                         -Connally's views
                         -Role
                               -Burns
                               -Money supply
             -Price theory

     National economy
          -The President's program
                -Wage and price controls
                     -Friedman's views

     CEA
             -Shultz's forthcoming conversation with Stein
             -Shultz's conversation with Connally
                  -Stein
                  -Jews

     Stein
             -Forthcoming call from Shultz
             -The President's schedule
             -Timing of announcement
                  -Leaks

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 5:47 pm and
5:58 pm.

[Conversation No. 623-24E]
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


[See Conversation No. 15-120]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Stein
             -Leaks
             -Health

The President talked with Connally between 5:58 pm and 5:59 pm.

[Conversation No. 623-24F]

[See Conversation No. 15-121]

[End of telephone conversation]

Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:59 pm.

     The President's schedule
          -Stein

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:02 pm.

     CEA
             -McCracken's resignation
                 -Stein's knowledge

     The President's schedule
          -Stein
          -Shultz
                -Schedule

     Shultz’s forthcoming travel
          -Ride with the President
                -Andrews Air Force Base
          -Farm
                -Golf
                -Williamstown, Massachusetts
                      -Williams College

     Massachusetts
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)


           -The President’s view
           -Kennedys
           -Leverett Saltonstall and Henry Cabot Lodge
           -Sargent
           -Political alignment

     George Meany
         -I[lworth] W[ilbur] Abel
              -Conversation with Labor Department General Counsel
                    -Pay Board

Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:59 pm.

     Stein's location
           -Secretary

     The President's schedule
          -Stein
          -Connally

Bull left at 6:02 pm.

The President talked with Van Brocklin between 6:02 pm and 6:05 pm.

[Conversation No. 623-24G]

[See Conversation No. 15-122]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Stein's schedule
           -Speech in Wilmington, Delaware
           -The President
                 -CEA

     CEA
           -Stein
                 -Timing of Ziegler's announcement

Shultz left at 6:07 pm.
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 623-24 (cont.)