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Start Date: Saturday, October 30, 1971 12:54 PM

End Date: Saturday, October 30, 1971 1:58 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.[Unknown person(s)]Colson, Charles W.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:06:10

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:08:36

609a.mp3

609b.mp3

609c.mp3

609d.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, unknown person(s), and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:54 am to 9:58 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 609-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 609-3

Date: October 30, 1971
Time: 8:54 am - 9:58 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's telephone call to Henry A. Kissinger
          -Foreign aid

     The President's schedule
          -Chicago
               -W. Clement Stone
                      -Illinois Masonic Medical Center
                            -Dedication
          -Melvin R. Laird
               -Agenda
                      -Europe meeting
                      -Asian trip
                      -Budget
                      -Kissinger's view
          -Senate action

     The President's schedule

Kissinger entered at 8:57 am.

           -Foreign aid program
           -Laird
                -Budget

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 8:57 am.

     Charles W. Colson

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 9:03 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Luncheon
          -Laird
                                                   3

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                            Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


     Laird
             -Forthcoming trip to Southeast Asia
                  -Troop withdrawals

     Foreign aid program
          -Senate vote
                -Administration response
                     -Kissinger’s view
                -Ronald L. Ziegler's comment
                     -News summary
                -Administration's activities
                     -Kissinger
                     -William P. Rogers
                -Kissinger's previous telephone call to Robert P. Griffin
                -Republicans
                -Democrats
                -Cambodia
                -Press coverage
                     -Ziegler
          -The President's opponents
                -Edward M. Kennedy and Taiwan, Republic of China

     Kennedy
         -New York Times story regarding United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan
              -Kissinger's meeting with John Kenneth Galbraith

Colson entered at 9:03 am.

             -Votes on Taiwan aid
             -Reaction to UN vote on Taiwan

     UN vote on Taiwan
         -Kennedy's speech
               -State Department
                     -Possible leak
         -Kissinger's previous trip
               -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
               -Ronald W. Reagan
               -State Department
         -New York Times story on Kennedy's speech
               -1972 campaign
                                               4

                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                            Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


                      -Edmund S. Muskie
                 -Kissinger's meeting with Galbraith

     Foreign aid program
          -Senate vote
                -Clark MacGregor
                     -Hugh Scott, Griffin
                -Kissinger's conversation with MacGregor
                -Kissinger's conversation with Griffin
                -Scott, Kennedy, John V. Tunney, James L. Buckley
                -Possible reversal
                     -Kissinger’s view
                     -Parliamentary procedure
                -Foreign military aid
                     -Senate Foreign Relations Committee
                     -Michael J. Mansfield
                -Rogers
          -Popular opinion polls
                -Leaks

Kissinger left at 9:09 am.

           -The President's opponents
           -Kissinger, Rogers
           -The President's opponents
                -J. William Fulbright
                -The President’s view

     Kennedy
         -Kissinger
         -Speech
         -Strategy
               -Statements opposing the President's policies
                     -Colson’s view
                          -Prisoners of war [POWs]
                          -Vietnam
               -Time, Newsweek

     Press coverage
           -Time, Newsweek
           -Kissinger's previous trip to People's Republic of China [PRC]
                                        5

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


     -State Department
     -UN vote on Taiwan

UN vote on Taiwan
    -The President’s view
          -George H.W. Bush’s performance
          -UN conduct

Kennedy’s position on PRC and Taiwan
    -Possible attack by Bush
          -“Issues and Answers”
          -Israel
    -Statement regarding the President’s PRC initiative
          -The President’s view
          -McGeorge Bundy
          -Chiang Kai-shek
          -Statement regarding UN vote on Taiwan
          -Peace groups
                -The President’s view
                     -Earl Warren

UN vote on Taiwan
    -Foreign aid program
          -Senate vote
               -Mansfield
               -Republicans

Foreign aid program
     -Popular opinion
     -Intellectuals

Judicial appointments
     -The President's opponents' actions
           -Popular opinion
                -American Bar Association [ABA]
                -Women

Foreign aid program
     -Senate vote
           -UN vote on Taiwan
     -Kissinger's view
                                          6

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


     -Continuing resolution
     -Southeast Asia
     -Israel
     -Possible Presidential veto
     -Greece

UN vote on Taiwan
    -Press coverage
    -Statements by the President, Rogers, and Bush
    -Foreign aid program
          -Congress
    -Ziegler’s statement

Foreign aid program
     -Opponents
           -The President’s view
     -Importance

Kennedy
    -Robert J. Dole's forthcoming speech

Ernest F. Hollings
     -Textiles

The President's opponents
     -Compared to Republicans during Democrat administrations
           -Reagan, Barry M. Goldwater
           -John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson administrations
           -Gerald R. Ford
           -Everett M. Dirksen
     -Spiro T. Agnew's possible speech
     -Elliot L. Richardson's forthcoming speech in Boston
           -Edward Kennedy

Edward Kennedy
    -Statements
          -UN vote on Taiwan
          -Foreign aid
          -Press coverage
          -Compared to Robert F. Kennedy's actions
               -The President’s view
                                            7

                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


                        -Johnson
              -Vietnam
                     -Compared to George W. Romney's "brainwash" statement
         -Press treatment

    Kissinger
         -Previous trip to PRC
              -Previous UN vote on Taiwan
              -State Department


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    Edward Kennedy
        -Possible attacks
             -Statements on PRC and UN vote on Taiwan
             -Bush
             -Scott
             -Goldwater

    Mansfield
        -Colson’s view
        -The President’s view
        -Background
              -Compared to George Meany, Richard J. Daley

    Edward Kennedy
        -Bush's possible attacks
             -Vietnam
             -UN vote on Taiwan
                                               8

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


Kissinger entered at 9:36 am.

           -Kissinger's previous meeting with Galbraith
                -1972 campaign

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:36 am.

     Instruction
           -New York Times

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 9:56 am.

                -W[illiam] Averell Harriman's advice to Edward Kennedy
                -Kitty Harriman

     UN vote on Taiwan
         -The President's statement
               -Conduct of UN delegates
               -Foreign aid

     Fund for Peace
          -Ford Foundation
          -Kissinger's friends
               -The President’s view

     Galbraith
          -Views on the President's economic program
               -Kissinger’s view

     Edward Kennedy
         -Statements
               -The President's forthcoming visit to PRC
                    -Timing
                    -Haile Selassie's forthcoming visit to US

     Roger L. Stevens
         -Conversation with Haldeman
               -Kennedy Center
               -John Kennedy
               -Robert Kennedy
                     -Stevens’s view
                                           9

                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


             -Edward Kennedy, sisters
                  -Stevens’s view
                  -Interest in the arts
             -Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis
                  -Interest in the arts
                        -Stevens’s view

Edward Kennedy
    -Possible attacks

Kissinger’s recent trip to PRC
     -Kissinger's previous press conference
     -Scheduling and timing
           -UN vote on Taiwan
                 -Rogers

UN vote on Taiwan
    -Timing
    -Right-wing response
    -White House response
          -The President’s view
               -Foreign aid
    -Delegate response to vote
          -The President’s view

Foreign aid program
     -The President’s view
           -Ziegler’s statement
     -Mansfield
           -Kissinger’s view
     -Previous Senate vote
           -Cambodia
           -Laos, Vietnam
     -Scott's efforts
     -Kissinger's previous conversation with Griffin

Scott
        -Kissinger’s view
        -Haldeman’s view
        -Actions on previous vote
             -Previous conversation with Kissinger
                                                  10

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)



     Edward Kennedy
         -Possible attacks
              -Cheap tricks

     Foreign aid program
          -New York Times possible editorial
                -Previous UN vote on Taiwan and China
          -Previous Senate vote
                -Republican Senators' expectations
                     -Mansfield
                     -Democrats
                     -Kissinger’s view

     Edward Kennedy
         -Attacks on the President
              -Compared to Hollings
              -Statements about the President’s policy toward PRC and Taiwan
              -Motive

     Campaign practices
         -Edward Kennedy
         -Cartoon in London Express
              -White House distribution
                    -Effectiveness

     The President's schedule
          -Josip Broz Tito
                -Length of meeting

     Tito
            -Statements regarding the President
                  -Press club

     UN vote on Taiwan
         -State Department and National Security Council [NSC]

Colson and Kissinger left at 9:56 am.

     United Republicans of California [UROC]
          -Possible “Dump Nixon” delegation
                                              11

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 609-3 (cont.)


           -John G. Schmitz
           -John N. Mitchell
           -Reagan

Haldeman left at 9:58 am.