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Start Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1971 1:40 PM

End Date: Wednesday, October 27, 1971 4:22 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Butterfield, Alexander P.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.Ziegler, Ronald L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:01:24

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:36:57

603a.mp3

603b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 27, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:40 am to 12:22 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 603-001 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 603-1

Date: October 27, 1971
Time: 9:40 am - 12:22 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield.

      The President's schedule
           -Head of State Dinner for Josip Broz Tito
                -Emil (“Bus”) Mosbacher, Jr.
                -William P. and Adele (Langston) Rogers
                -Ambassadors
                -Spiro T. and Elinor I. (Judefind) Agnew
                -Emil and Patricia (Ryan) Mosbacher
                -Yugoslav Chief of Protocol
                -Ambassadors
                -Secretaries of State
                -Chief of Protocol
                -Receiving line
                       -Mosbacher

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman entered at 9:43 am.

            -Camp David
                -Tito
                -Mosbacher
                -Role

Butterfield left at 9:45.

            -Previous meeting with Henry A. Kissinger and Rogers

      Kissinger’s recent trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
           -Press relations
                 -Kissinger
                       -Ronald L. Ziegler
                       -Charles W. Colson
                 -Reading of Communiqué
                       -Ziegler
                       -Kissinger
                       -Ground rules
                                          2

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                -Kissinger
                -George H. W. Bush
                -Rogers
                -Kissinger
                     -Rogers

The President's previous meeting
     -John B. Connally
     -George P. Shultz
          -Peter G. Peterson
          -John D. Ehrlichman
                 -Connally
                 -Peterson
          -Staff
          -Peterson
                 -Connally

International economics
      -Convertibility
            -Parity
                  -The President’s view
      -Europeans efforts
            -Nathaniel Samuels
                  -State Department
            -Paul W. McCracken
            -Peterson
            -Arthur F. Burns
            -Paul A. Volcker
      -Peterson
      -Shultz
            -The President’s view
            -Burns
            -Peterson
                  -Memoranda
                        -Kissinger

Announcement of Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon's trip to Liberia
    -Haldeman's conversation with Ziegler
    -Timing
    -Conflict in scheduling
    -Extent of announcement
                                                3

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                -Inaugural

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:45 am.

     The President’s schedule
          -Kissinger

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:02 am.

     The President’s forthcoming trip to the PRC
          -Kissinger
               -Attendance at meeting
               -The President's photograph with Mao Tse-tung
                      -Chou En-lai
          -Meetings
               -The President
               -Rogers
               -Kissinger
               -Rogers
                      -Kissinger
               -Mao Tse-Tung
               -Kissinger
                      -Negotiating style
                           -The President’s view
               -Rogers
          -Ziegler

     Assignment of administration responsibilities
          -Rogers
               -Leaks
               -State Department

     United Nations [UN] vote on expulsion of Taiwan, Republic of China
          -Announcement
               -Bush
               -Ziegler’s statement
               -Rogers
                     -Kissinger
               -The President’s previous meeting with Kissinger and Rogers
                     -Press accounts
          -UN
                                                  4

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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                 -Rogers
                 -Ronald W. Reagan
                 -John N. Mitchell
                 -US policy
                      -The President’s view
                      -Reagan
                 -Domestic sentiment
                      -News summaries
                            -PRC
                            -Taiwan
                 -Reagan

Kissinger entered at 10:02 am.

     UN
           -Kissinger's schedule
                -Bush
           -Kissinger's advice
                -Bush
                -Possible press statements
                      -Possible contents
           -Kissinger's telephone conversation with Bush

     Bush's schedule
          -Rogers

Butterfield entered at 10:03 am.

           -Possible meeting with the President
                -Photograph
                -Rogers
                -Ziegler
                -Instructions for Bull

Butterfield left at 10:07 am.

     The UN vote on Taiwan’s expulsion
          -Kissinger
               -Backgrounder
          -The President’s view
               -Taiwan
                                         5

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                                Tape Subject Log
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                -UN
                      -Africa
                      -William F. Buckley, Jr.
                      -Barry M. Goldwater, Jr.
                      -Reagan

UN
     -Domestic opinion
           -Television
           -News Summaries
           -America's China policy
                -"Two China" policy
     -Democrats position
           -Kissinger
                -PRC trip
     -News summaries
     -The President's previous conversation with Rogers
           -Taiwan
                -Robert D. Murphy
                -UN vote
     -Wilbur D. Mills
     -George Meany
     -State Department
           -Timing of UN vote
                -Bush
                -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                -Rogers
                -Kissinger
                      -Rogers
                -Kissinger’s role
           -Rogers's attitude toward Kissinger's PRC trip
                -Kissinger’s view
                -Chou En-lai
                -Rogers comments
                -Public relations concerning the trip
                      -Kissinger’s view
                            -Television
                -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT], Berlin

State Department
      -The President's summit meeting with Soviets
                                           6

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                                  Tape Subject Log
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          -Newsweek magazine
                -Aleksei N. Kosygin
          -The President's conversation with Rogers
                -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                      -Summit
                -Kosygin
                      -Canada
     -The President's Soviet trip
     -The President's PRC trip

The President’s PRC trip
     -Chinese
          -Kissinger’s view
     -Rogers
          -The President’s view
                -Washington Star article
                     -Robert Sherman

State Department
      -The President’s view
      -Kissinger
      -Parade article

Relationship between trips to PRC and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
     -The President’s view
           -US policy
     -Rogers
           -PRC

The President's position on PRC policy
     -The President’s trip to PRC
           -Staff
                 -The President’s approval
     -Rogers
     -Kissinger
     -The President's role in foreign policy
           -Walt W. Rostow
           -Dean Rusk
           -Robert S. McNamara
     -Kissinger's briefings
     -State Department
                                         7

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                                Tape Subject Log
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     -Press
           -State Department’s role
           -Newsweek article
                 -Kissinger's proposed telephone call to Henry Hubbard
                 -The President's Soviet policy
                 -Andrei A. Gromyko
     -State Department
           -Kosygin
     -Kissinger's proposed telephone call
           -Hubbard
           -Robert C. Christopher
           -Hubbard

The President's forthcoming PRC trip
     -Newsweek
     -Time magazine

Kissinger
     -Speech in Parade
     -Sherman
          -Article
          -Relationship with Kissinger
     -Christian Science Monitor
     -Harvard University friends
          -Attitude toward the President and the Vietnam war

UN vote on Taiwan expulsion

Hubert H. Humphrey
    -Position on Taiwan in UN
          -Chiang Kai-Shek
    -State Department
          -Kissinger's position
               -Strategy
               -Ireland
                     -Landing rights
               -Iceland
               -Ireland
               -Guyana
                                                 8

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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


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     GUYANA


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                -Kissinger's advice in March 1971
                     -Television
                     -Haig
                     -Kissinger's trips to PRC
                           -Effect
                -Kissinger’s view

     The President's place in history
          -PRC
          -US-USSR Summit
          -Kissinger’s view
               -Brezhnev
               -John F. Kennedy
                      -Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

     Rogers
         -US-USSR Summit

The President left at an unknown time after 10:07 am.

           -Chinese

     Press briefing
           -Kissinger
                 -Rogers
                 -Haig
                                                9

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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                                                                     Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


                -Content

The President entered at unknown time before 11:13 am.

     Kissinger's health

     Supreme Court appointments
          -The President's speech
                -Effect
                -Press coverage
          -William H. Rehnquist
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Robert C. Byrd
          -Warren E. Burger
          -Press
          -The President's nominees
                -The President’s view
                -Compared with American Bar Association [ABA] committee members
                -Compared with Nixon
                -Rehnquist
                      -Stanford Law School
                      -Robert H. Jackson
          -Rehnquist
                -Senate confirmation

     The President's conversation with Haldeman
          -International monetary concerns
                -Connally
                -Shultz
                -Peterson

     The President's work relationships with cabinet officers
          -Rogers
               -Attitude toward Kissinger's undertakings

     Kissinger's trip to PRC
          -Accomplishments
                -PRC foreign policy
                       -North Vietnam
                -US foreign policy
          -Rogers's reactions to Kissinger's first trip to the PRC
                                         10

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                                                           Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


           -Rogers view

The President's negotiating ability
     -Kissinger’s view
     -Rogers
          -Chou En-Lai
          -Middle East
     -Compared with Nelson A. Rockefeller

The President's trip to PRC
     -Rogers
          -Kissinger
     -Kissinger
          -Veracity of statements
     -Negotiations
          -Communiqué
                 -Mao Tse-tung
          -State Department
          -Alfred Les. Jenkins
                 -Photographs
     -The President’s previous meeting with Rogers

Tricia Nixon Cox
      -Telephone call to the President

US foreign policy
     -Reaction to trips by US officials
          -Need for meeting with the President
                -Rogers
     -Chinese policy
          -Kissinger
          -The President’s view
          -USSR
          -Rogers
                -Vietnam peace efforts
                      -Le Duan
                            -PRC
     -Rogers
          -Canadian Ambassador
                -Black Panthers
                      -Chou En-lai
                                       11

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                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


     -Huey Newton
          -PRC
     -Kissinger's PRC trip
          -Television coverage
                -"Today" show, Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS]
                      -UN vote to expel Taiwan
          -Background interviews
                -Timing
                -Ziegler
          -Taiwan
     -UN
     -Buckley
     -Reagan
          -Previous conversation with Mitchell
                -Possible conversation with Kissinger
          -Associates
                -John Birch Society
                -Staff
          -UN week proclamation
     -Connally
          -Bush
                -Taiwan
                      -UN vote
                           -Important question
                           -Expulsion
     -Chou En-lai
          -Taiwan
     -Background interviews
          -The President’s view
     -Announcement
          -Kissinger’s agreement with Chou En-lai

The President's forthcoming PRC trip
     -The President's forthcoming meeting with Bush
          -Ziegler’s press briefing
     -Kissinger’s press briefing
          -Possible substance
                 -Kissinger’s trip to Great Wall
                 -Logistical issues
                 -The President's forthcoming meeting with Mao Tse-tung
                 -UN vote
                                12

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                        Tape Subject Log
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                                                       Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


                 -Taiwan
           -Length of briefing
           -Possible date of the President's trip
                 -Announcement
           -Mrs. Nixon
                 -Composition of group
                 -Mrs. Rogers
-Mrs. Nixon
     -Possible destinations
           -Press coverage
-Kissinger’s recent trip
-Dwight L. Chapin
     -Kissinger’s view
-Kissinger's recent trip
-Chou En-lai's role
-The President's conversation with Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
-Kissinger's recent trip
-Chou en-lai's role
     -Crowd reaction
-Transportation modes
     -Gen. James D. Hughes
     -Mao Tse-tung
     -Chou en-lai
-Rogers
     -Itinerary
     -Cultural exchange
     -Taiwan
-Importance
     -US foreign policy
     -The President's forthcoming trip to USSR
-Possible Communiqué
     -Taiwan
           -Mao Tse-tung
     -PRC
           -Soviets
     -Chou En-lai
           -The President
-Rogers
     -Chou En-lai
     -Foreign Minister Chi P’engfei
                                                  13

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                                      Tape Subject Log
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     UN
           -Peterson
                 -Multilateral assistance
           -Paul G. Hoffman
                 -Budget
           -United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization [UNESCO]
           -PRC
           -French
           -Otto E. Passman
                 -Multilateral organizations
                      -Bryce N. Harlow
                      -African development fund
                            -Connally
                      -Peterson
           -Kissinger
                 -Forthcoming call to Reagan
                      -UN appropriations
                      -Rogers
                 -Reagan’s previous call to Kissinger
                      -PRC
                      -UN
           -Buckley
                 -Buchanan
                 -Kissinger's relationship

     Administration’s relationship with conservatives
         -Michael J. Mansfield amendment
         -Anti-ballistic Missile Treaty [ABM]
         -Kissinger
               -Buckley
         -Reagan
         -Agnew
               -Meeting with the President

Ziegler entered at 11:13 am.

     Ziegler's forthcoming press briefing
          -UN
                 -Rogers
                 -Funding
                      -The President's position
                              14

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                                                      Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


            -Secretary of State
            -Conduct of delegates during UN vote
                  -Effect in US
                        -Public
                        -Congress
                        -The President
            -Foreign aid
            -Support in Congress
-Foreign aid bill
     -Possible effect
-Conduct of delegates during UN vote
     -The President’s view
     -The President’s view on vote
     -Popular American support for the UN
            -PRC
     -Recipients of US aid
     -UN delegates behavior
     -Multinational financial organization
     -The president's call for reappraisals
            -Congress
            -PRC
                  -Possible action
            -Secretary of State
            -Multinational financing organizations
-Conduct of delegates during UN vote
-The President's view of the UN
     -Secretary of States previous press conference
-Conduct of delegates
-Ziegler’s comments to press
     -Possible language
     -Rogers statement
-PRC
-Multinational financing organizations
-Humphrey
-Conduct of delegates during UN vote
     -Ziegler’s statements to press
            -Possible language
            -US public opinion
                  -Effect
     -Rogers
-Possible questions from press
                                         15

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                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


               -The President's support for UN
          -Humphrey
          -Conduct of delegates
          -The President's reaction to UN vote
               -Ziegler’s statement
                     -Possible wording
          -Reagan

The President's schedule
     -Bush
          -Rogers
                 -Connally

Ziegler's forthcoming press briefing
     -UN
            -PRC
            -The President’s view
                 -Rogers previous statement
                 -Possible language
                 -Possible effect
            -UN as an institution
            -Conduct of delegates during UN vote
            -PRC
            -Rogers

Japan
     -nobusuke sato
          -No confidence vote in Japan
          -US position
                -Possible comments
     -Possible comments
          -Connally

Atomic Energy Commission [AEC]
    -Press conference
    -Amchitka
    -Reagan

Amchitka
    -Forthcoming announcement
                                              16

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Ziegler left at an unknown time before 11:38 am.

     US foreign relations
          -Kissinger
               -Chou En-lai
                      -Soviets
          -Foreign aid

Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 11:13 am.

     Ziegler’s forthcoming press conference
          -The President’s schedule
                 -Bush

Ziegler left at 11:38 am.

     US foreign relations
          -Foreign aid
               -Kissinger’s view
               -Multinational organizations
               -Hugh Scott, Gerald R. Ford
               -Taiwan
          -Amchitka
               -Forthcoming announcement

     The President's schedule
          -Bush
               -Ziegler’s statement
               -Rogers
               -Mitchell
               -Rogers

Haldeman left at 11:42 am.

     Defense budget
          -Adm. Thomas H. Moorer’s memorandum
               -The President’s position
                    -Aircraft
                    -USSR
                    -Increases
          -Melvin R. Laird
                                             17

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                                                                      Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


           -Shultz
                 -Tax increases
                 -Connally
           -Kissinger’s view
                 -Increases
                 -Conservatives
                 -Soviets
           -Appropriations
                 -Military views
           -Minutemen
           -ABM
           -Polaris
           -Meeting, October 27, 1971
                 -Defense Department personnel
                 -Connally, Shultz, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger, Kissinger, Ehrlichman
           -The President’s 1972 diplomacy
           -Air Force
                 -Shultz
                 -Haig
                 -Air defense
           -Amount
           -Shultz, Weinberger
           -The President’s view
           -Polaris

     The President's schedule
          -Breakfast meeting with Rogers and Kissinger

     The President's responsibilities
          -Cabinet officers
          -Peterson
          -Shultz
          -Compared with other administrations
                -Kissinger
                      -Haig
                      -Summit trips
                           -State Department
                                  -Rogers
                      -Haldeman

Ziegler entered at 11:48 am.
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     Ziegler's forthcoming press briefing
          -UN
                 -Conduct of delegates during UN vote
                      -Wording
                 -The President's attitude
                      -Multinational finance organizations

Haldeman entered at 11:49 am.

Ziegler left at 11:50 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting
                -Ehrlichman
                      -Purpose
                            -Value added tax [VAT]
                                 -Connally
                                 -Colson
                                 -Mitchell
          -Meetings, October 27, 1971
                -Length
                      -Ehrlichman
                      -Colson
                      -Mitchell
                      -Haig
                -Defense budget
                      -Shultz
                      -Kissinger
          -Meeting October 27, 1971 at 3:00 pm
                -Kissinger
                -Connally
                -Shultz
                -Kissinger's schedule
          -Ehrlichman
                -Edwin L. Harper
                -Kenneth R. Cole
          -Kissinger's schedule
          -Paul W. McCracken
          -State Department
                                              19

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     The President's enemies

     Rogers
         -Previous meeting with the President and Kissinger
              -Foreign policy challenges
                    -Mao Tse-tung
                    -Chou En-lai
                    -Communiqué

     US foreign policy
          -Rogers
               -Communiqué with PRC
                     -Memorandum for Roger
                     -Kissinger
                     -Taiwan
               -Warsaw Talks
               -PRC
               -Chou En-lai
               -The President’s trip to PRC
                     -The President’s view
                     -Kissinger’s view
                     -Connally

Kissinger left at 11:58 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Connally
          -Shultz
          -Burns
          -Peterson
          -McCracken
          -Quadriad meeting
          -Peterson


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 18
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[Duration: 55s ]
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              -Peter M. Flanigan
              -Peterson
              -McCracken
         -Tito
         -Quadriad meeting, October 28, 1971
               -Josip Broz Tito meeting
               -Shultz’s forthcoming meeting with Peterson
         -Quadriad
               -Connally, Burns
         -Tito
         -Peterson
               -Shultz
         -Quadriad
               -Flanigan
               -Peterson
               -Shultz
               -Scope of interest
               -Shultz
               -Connally
               -Ehrlichman
               -McCracken
         -Shultz
               -Peterson
         -Burns
               -Connally

    Federal Reserve Board [FRB] candidates
         -Burns
               -Flanigan’s forthcoming conversation with Burns
         -Selection compared with process for Supreme Court nominees
               -Burger
         -Earl Cocke
               -American Legion
         -Andrew F. Brimmer
         -Burns
                                          21

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           -Name submissions
               -Connally
               -Shultz
                    -Peterson

The President's schedule
     -Budget meeting
          -Harper
          -Cole
          -Lewis A. Engman
          -Mitchell
          -Colson
          -Ehrlichman

The President's relationship with Cabinet officers
     -Rogers
          -Connally
          -Kissinger
                 -Communiqué
          -Trip to USSR
          -Timing of UN vote
                 -Kissinger's schedule

US foreign policy
     -UN vote to expel Taiwan
          -Ziegler
          -Rogers
          -News coverage
          -Football
                -Green Bay Packers
                     -Minnesota Vikings
          -Television coverage
                -Reagan
          -Taiwan
                -PRC
          -Polls
                -Gallup
                -Harris
                -Opinion Research Corporation [ORC]
                -Taiwan
          -UN delegates
                                               22

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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 603- 1(cont.)


          -PRC
               -The President’s view of vote
          -Ziegler’s statement
               -UN Delegates
               -Ziegler
          -PRC
               -Chou En-Lai
               -American conservatives
          -UN vote
               -Buckley
               -Ziegler
               -Bush
                      -Schedule

     Appointments
         -Flanigan
              -Rogers
              -David M. Kennedy
                    -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
              -Kissinger
         -Maurice H. Stans
         -Mitchell
         -Secretary of Commerce position
              -Stans
                    -Peterson
         -Secretary of Agriculture position
              -Ehrlichman
              -Frederic V. Malek
              -Clarence D. Palmby
              -Earl L. Butz
              -Bryce N. Harlow
                    -Abilities
                          -Benefits

Haldeman left at 12:22 pm.