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Start Date: Saturday, October 23, 1971 1:36 PM

End Date: Saturday, October 23, 1971 3:09 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.White House operatorBull, Stephen B.Sandman, Charles W., Jr.Sanchez, Manolo[Unknown person(s)]Hearnes, Warren E.Mandel, MarvinBumpers, DaleMilliken, William G.Hathaway, Stanley K.Hall, DavidBrickfield, CyrilHaig, Alexander M., Jr.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:44:16

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:15:04

601a.mp3

601b.mp3

601c.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, White House operator, Stephen B. Bull, Charles W. Sandman, Jr., Manolo Sanchez, unknown person(s), Warren E. Hearnes, Marvin Mandel, Dale Bumpers, William G. Milliken, Stanley K. Hathaway, David Hall, Cyril Brickfield, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:36 am to 11:09 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 601-007 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 601-7

Date: October 23, 1971
Time: 9:36 am - 11:09 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Charles W. Colson.

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     Economy
         -News summary
         -Colson's survey
              -Phase II
              -Money supply

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 9:36 am and
9:44 am.

[Conversation No. 601-7A]
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[See Conversation No. 12-99]

[End of telephone conversation]

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:36 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with governors
               -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

                -John A. Love
                -William G. Milliken
                -Possible press statement
                      -Love
                            -Colson’s draft
                      -Milliken

     Supreme Court appointments
          -The President's televised speech, October 21, 1971
               -Size
               -Impact
               -Press
                     -Dan Rather's comments on Supreme Court appointments
                     -Richard A. Moore
                     -John N. Mitchell
                     -Robert C. Byrd
                     -Richard H. Poff
                     -Moore
                           -Time, Newsweek
                           -The President's role in announcements
                                 -The President’s decision
                     -Colson’s efforts
          -Televised audience for the President's speech

     Public relations efforts
          -Edith Efron's book
                 -Sales
                       -Colson’s report
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                     -White House efforts
                     -Publicity

The President talked with Charles W. Sandman, Jr. between 9:44 am and 9:45 am.

[Conversation No. 601-7B]

[See Conversation No. 12-100]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Sandman
         -The President’s view
              -Support for the President
              -Charles H. Percy

     Percy
          -Rose Mary Woods
               -Letter to the President
                     -The President’s policy
                     -Supreme Court nomination
                           -Percy’s views
          -The President’s view
          -Colson


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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 9:45 am.


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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

     US foreign relations
          -United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan expulsion
               -Statements by Hugh Scott and Gerald R. Ford
               -Haig
                      -African nations
               -Ford’s comments
                      -UN

     Polls
             -Circulation
                  -Colson’s role
             -Washington Post
                  -Gallup poll
                  -Harris poll
                        -Trial heats
             -Colson's possible efforts
                  -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                  -Senators and Congressmen
                  -Gallup poll
                  -Harris
             -White House staff
             -Congress
                  -Clark MacGregor
                  -Robert J. Dole
                  -Colson's conversations
                        -Ford, Scott
                  -George H. Gallup
                        -Dole
                  -Harris poll
                        -Colson’s efforts
                        -Edward M. Kennedy
                              -George Meany
                        -Edmund S. Muskie’s reaction
                        -President’s knowledge
                        -Packaging of poll information


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    Press
            -News summaries
            -Book by Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak
                 -1960, 1962, 1968 campaigns
                 -Possible White House response
                 -"Today Show"
                 -Victor Lasky
                 -Possible comments by White House staff
                 -Evans and Novak
                       -The President’s view
                             -John F. Osborne
                             -Peter Lisagor
                       -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                       -Robert H. Finch
                       -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                       -William L. Safire
            -Planted stories
            -[Forename unknown] Pearson
                 -Wall Street Journal
                       -Story on Colson
                       -Ronald L. Ziegler
                 -Access to White House staff
            -Los Angeles Times reporter
            -Lisagor
                 -Pearson
            -Administration attitude toward enemies

    Supreme Court appointments
         -Press
              -Moore
              -Stories
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                     -Interest
               -Time, Newsweek
          -Wire service reports
               -Administration's reaction
               -American Bar Association [ABA]
               -Lewis F. Powell
               -William H. Rehnquist
               -United Press International [UPI], Associated Press [AP]
                     -Mildred L. Lillie, Herschel H. Friday
                     -Rehnquist, Powell

Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:45 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Governors
               -Love
                      -Schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

     Supreme Court nominees
          -Leaks to media
               -John N. Mitchell
               -ABA
               -Lawrence E. Walsh's office
               -Richard H. Poff
          -Rehnquist
               -Media views
                     -Barry M. Goldwater
               -The President’s view
               -Television coverage
               -ABA
               -Press
                     -Lillie
                           -White House efforts
          -Clement F. Haynesworth, G. Harrold Carswell
               -Attacks by liberals
                     -Mitchell
               -Effect in south
          -Powell
               -South
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                 -James J. Kilpatrick


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An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:45 am.

     Removal of object

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:04 am.

     Supreme Court appointments
          -Possible poll

Colson left and Warren E. Hearnes, Marvin Mandel, Dale Bumpers, William G. Milliken,
Stanley K. Hathaway, David Hall, Charles Byerly, Alexander M. Haig, Jr. and members of the
press entered at 10:04 am.

     Greetings

     Football
          -Joe Ferguson
                -Future
          -University of Arkansas team

     Seating arrangement

Press left at an unknown time before 11:04 am.

     Trip to Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] and Romania by governors
           -Nicolae Ceausescu
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-Aleksei N. Kosygin
-Leonid I. Brezhnev
-Reception
      -View of countries
-State Department
      -Briefings
            -Governors views
      -Haig
-Romanian
      -UN ambassador
-State Department briefings
      -Governors views
      -Nikita S. Khrushchev
            -Meeting with the President in 1959
-Romania
      -Ceauscescu
      -US Ambassador
-Kosygin
      -Canada
            -Demonstrations
-The President's forthcoming trip
      -USSR
-Return delegation visit
      -Security arrangements
            -State Department
            -Haig
                  -Haldeman
            -Executive Protection Service
                  -Ambassadors and embassies
                  -UN
                  -Head of State visitors
                  -Secret Service
            -The President's schedule
                  -Moscow, Peking
                        -Security
                        -Compared to Washington, DC
                  -Georges J.R. Pompidou
            -Emigree groups
                  -Hungarians
            -State police
                  -St. Louis, Detroit
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            -Aircraft
            -Size of group
-Hotels in USSR
-Interpreters
-Role of governors
      -Announcement of the President's forthcoming visit
            -Impact
-The President's visit in 1967
      -[James] Harold Wilson
      -Charles A.J.M. de Gaulle
      -Kurt G. Kiesinger
      -USSR
-Kosygin
      -American press
-Soviet-American exchanges
      -The President’s visit to Moscow
      -Khrushchev
      -Kosygin
            -Lyndon B. Johnson
-Governors’ contacts with the people
      -Détente
      -Jews
      -Crime
-Leningrad
-Soviet ballet
      -Treatment of performers in USSR
-Romanians
-Kosygin
      -Meeting with Governors
            -Preparations for Summit meeting
                  -Vietnam
                  -Middle East
-Soviet interests
      -Middle East
            -Egypt
      -Vietnam
            -Support for North Vietnam
-Jews
      -Emigration
            -Education
                  -Expense to the State
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      -Anti-Semitism
            -USSR
            -Poland
            -Karl Marx
            -David Ben-Gurion
            -Middle east
                  -Egypt
                  -Israel
                  -USSR interests
            -Joseph V. Stalin
                  -Alleged Jewish doctors' plot
-Religion in USSR
      -Synagogues
      -Youth
      -Jews
            -Assimilation
      -Protestants
      -Catholics
-Feelings of soviet people toward War
      -World War II
            -Effect
      -The President's previous conversation with unknown man in Alma Ata
            [Almety]
      -World War I
            -Casualties
            -Paul Von Hindenburg
            -Erich F. W. Ludendorff
      -Leningrad
      -Germans
      -American assistance to USSR during World War II
      -Losses
            -Possible governor’s response
      -Kosygin
-Ceausescu
      -Governors view
      -The President’s view
-Romania
      -Sovereignty
      -Trade
            -Vietnam War
      -Flood relief
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                -US assistance
           -Trade
                -Maurice H. Stans
           -Ceausescu
                -The President’s view
                -Relationship with US and USSR
           -Trade status
           -Flood relief
                -US assistance
           -Vietnam War
                -Ceausescu’s conversation with the governors
                -Prisoners of war [POWs]

Vietnam war
     -Casualties
     -Negotiations
          -POWs
     -Vietnamization of conflict
     -Thailand
     -Bombing
          -North Vietnam
          -Laos
          -Cambodia
          -Effect on negotiations
     -POWs
          -Domestic opinion
          -Lists
                 -Romania

The Governors’s trip to USSR and Romania
     -Ceauscescu
     -Kosygin

Khrushchev
    -Trip to Vienna
          -American press
               -Nicolai A. Bulganin
          -John Foster Dulles
    -The President’s view

Soviet leaders
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Chinese

Soviets
     -Leadership
          -Compared with Americans
          -Ages
          -Kosygin
          -Brezhnev
          -Compared with Chinese
               -Mao Tse-tung
               -Chou En-lai

Romania

Communism
   -People’s Republic of China [PRC] and USSR
   -Attitudes
   -Differences
   -Negotiations with US
   -Arms control
   -Trade
   -US foreign policy
   -Middle East
   -European Security Conference
   -Negotiating strategy
         -The President’s position
   -Forthcoming negotiations
         -USSR
         -PRC

Governors' visit
    -Value
          -Haig
          -POWs
          -The President’s view
    -Public relations efforts
          -Briefing for the President
                 -USSR
                 -Romania
                 -Leadership report
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                     -Attitude of Soviets toward the trip
                     -Recommendations
                -Possible trip to PRC
                -Value of exchanges
                -Composition of the governors group
                     -Members of Congress
                -Possible reception for Communist leaders
                -Soviets
           -US foreign relations
                -Contacts with Soviets
                     -Objectives
                            -Possible statement by governor
                                  -Language
           -Governors' reception
                -Possible welcome for foreign leaders

     Gift presentations

     Health
          -Governors
          -The President

     Football game

     Farewells

Governor Hearnes, et al. left at 11:04 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Previous meeting with governors
               -The President’s view

     UN vote on Taiwan's expulsion
         -Forthcoming telephone calls
         -Interpreter
               -Logistics
               -Mexico

Haig left at 11:09 am.
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