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Conversation: 597-003

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Start Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1971 1:28 PM

End Date: Wednesday, October 20, 1971 4:20 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")White House operatorHarlow, Bryce N.Ziegler, Ronald L.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.Haig, Alexander M., Jr.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:15:31

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:56:34

597a.mp3

597b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 20, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, Bryce N. Harlow, Ronald L. Ziegler, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:28 am to 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 597-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 597-3

Date: October 20, 1971
Time: 9:28 am - 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Congress
         -Wayne L. Hays
               -Unknown event
                     -Secret Service uniformed policeman
               -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] meeting
               -Voting record
         -Harry S. Dent
         -William E. Timmons
         -Hays
               -Guest list for White House function
                     -Clark MacGregor
                     -Josip Broz Tito dinner
               -White House police
               -Reaction
         -Michael J. Mansfield amendment
               -Charles W. Whalen, Jr.
                     -Republican
               -Supporters of Administration’s position
                     -Democrats
         -Dent's activities
               -Democrats
               -O. Clark Fisher
         -The President's endorsement
               -Democrats
                     -Vietnam War
                     -House of Representatives
                            -George H. Mahon
                            -David N. Henderson
                                  -North Carolina
                            -Leslie C. Arends
         -Robert C. Wilson
               -Employees
         -Incumbents
         -Dent
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     -Senate candidates
          -Financing
          -Support for the Administration

Supreme Court appointments
     -Leaks
     -American Bar Association [ABA]
     -John D. Ehrlichman's staff
     -The President's role
     -G. Harrold Carswell
     -Leaks
          -State Department
          -Henry A. Kissinger's office
          -Economic program example
          -The President's candidate
     -John N. Mitchell
          -Philadelphia
     -ABA
     -The President's announcement
          -Television

The President's schedule
     -Florida

John B. Connally's schedule
     -Texas
     -California
           -Bankers meeting in San Francisco
     -Ranch
     -Possible meeting with the President for October 26, 1971

The President's schedule
     -Possible press conference, October 27, 1971
     -Kissinger's return
          -Paris
     -Press conference
          -Vietnam
          -Soviet announcement
     -Meeting with Kissinger, October 25, 1971
     -Budget meeting, October 26, 1971
     -Meeting with Ehrlichman, October 26, 1971
                                         4

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           -Connally
     -Nobusuke Kishi
           -Textile Agreement
           -Forthcoming meeting with the President
     -William P. Rogers and George H. W. Bush, October 21, 1971
     -Kishi
           -White House dinner
           -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
     -Bush
     -Kishi

Unknown White House staff member [Connally ?]
    -Compared with the White House staff members
        -Bryce N. Harlow
        -Robert P. Mayo

The President's schedule
     -The President's work habits
     -Pace
     -Visitors
           -Jack Pardee
           -Maxie Baughan
                 -Public relations
     -Open door office hour
           -Previous meeting with Multiple Sclerosis Society
                 -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
     -Kishi
           -Dinner
                 -Mrs. Nixon
                       -Republican Women Reception
                 -Blair House
                 -F Street Club
                 -John S.D. Eisenhower
                 -Peter G. Peterson
                 -David M. Kennedy
                 -Foreign Service
                 -Rogers
                 -State Department
                       -Marshall Green
                       -Rogers
                       -U. Alexis Johnson
                                        5

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                               Tape Subject Log
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                                                         Conv. No. 597-3 (cont.)


               -Members of Congress
               -Japanese Ambassador
               -Haig
               -Kishi's party
               -Mitchell
               -Arthur F. Burns
               -George P. Shultz
               -Paul W. McCracken
               -Ezra Solomon
               -Time, dress
          -Entrance
               -Music
               -Honor guard
               -Photographers
          -Connally
               -Schedule
                     -Texas
                     -Wright Patman

Connally
    -Lyndon B. Johnson
         -Health

The President's schedule
     -Kishi dinner
          -Maurice H. Stans
          -Peterson
          -David M. Kennedy
          -Interpreters
     -Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
          -Postal situation
                 -Board of Governors
     -Kishi
          -Timing of dinner
     -Republican woman
     -Kishi
     -Unknown location
          -Florida
          -Haldeman's schedule
     -Proposed meeting with Peter H. B. Frelinghuysen
          -India, Pakistan, Greece
                                         6

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                                Tape Subject Log
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                                                                  Conv. No. 597-3 (cont.)


                -Frelinghuysen’s visit
          -Haig
     -Agha Sadruddin Khan
          -United Nations [UN] High Commission for Refugees
          -Pakistani refugees
                -UN
                      -US response
                            -Public relations
          -Rogers
          -Kissinger
          -Francis L. Kellogg
          -The President’s view
     -Vietnam veterans
          -South Vietnam
          -Hospitals
          -Charles W. Colson, Haig, Herbert G. Klein, John A. Scali, Ronald L. Ziegler
          -Colson
          -Possible press coverage
     -Thomas Vail
          -Klein, Ziegler
          -Interview
          -Kishi
          -Klein
     -National Catholic Youth Organization Federation
          -Director, Catholic Youth Activity
                -Monsignor Leonard
          -Sheraton-Park Hotel
          -Officers
     -Crown Prince of Ethiopia
          -The President’s view
     -The President's forthcoming trip to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]

Secretary of Agriculture appointment
     -John C. Whitaker
     -Possible candidates
           -Criteria
           -Henry L. Bellmon
           -Earl L. Butz
           -Norbert (“Bobby”) Tieman
           -Harlow
           -Louie B. Nunn
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          -Butz
                -The President’s view
          -Bellmon
                -Mitchell’s view
                -Senate seat
                      -Edmond Edmonson
                      -[Forename unknown] Wilkinson
                      -David E. Bartlett
                -Mitchell’s view
                -Qualifications
          -Butz
          -Tieman
          -Harlow
          -Nunn
          -Butz
                -The President’s view
                -Bellmon
                -Farm Bureau
                -Vocation
                -Clifford M. Hardin
                -Age
                -Experience
          -Harlow
                -Bellmon
                -Clarence D. Palmby
                -Butz
          -Hardin
                -Palmby
          -Butz
                -Bellmon
                -Palmby
          -Unintelligible name
                -Democrats
                      -Fred R. Harris
                      -Edmondson
                -Bellmon
                      -Bartlett
                      -Wilkinson

The President's schedule
     -Vail
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                -Interviews
                -Dinner

     Mrs. Nixon's schedule
          -Marilyn B. (“Missy”) Chandler [Mrs. Otis Chandler]
          -Arts Council
          -F Street Club
          -JoAnn (Horton) Haldeman

     Secretary of Agriculture appointment
          -Possible candidates
                -Bellmon
                      -Mitchell
                -Butz
                -Robert R. Spitzer
                -Whitaker
                -Hyde Murray
          -Bellmon
          -Palmby
          -Butz
          -Bellmon
          -Whitaker
          -Palmby
          -Harlow
                -Farmers
                -Farm states
          -Butz
                -Vocation
                -Bellmon
                -Harlow, Thomas Hart
          -Bellmon

The President talked with White House operator at an unknown time between 9:25 am and 10:23
am.

[Conversation No. 597-3A]

[See Conversation No. 11-158]

[End of telephone conversation]
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     Cabinet appointment
          -Harlow
          -Connally
               -Qualifications
          -Bellmon

     Cabinet
          -Rogers
          -Connally
               -Support for the President
                     -Statements
               -Jack J. Valenti

The President talked with Bryce N. Harlow between 10:23 am and 10:35 am.

[Conversation No. 597-3B]

[See Conversation No. 11-159]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Secretary of Agriculture appointment
          -Butz
                -Mitchell
                -Harlow
                -Ezra Taft Benson
          -Bellmon

     Appointment to the UN
         -Haldeman's conversation with Rogers
         -Andrew F. Brimmer
              -Ralph Bunche
         -U Thant
              -Successor

Ziegler entered at 10:35 am.

     Supreme Court appointments
          -Relations with the news media
          -Mitchell’s schedule
               -Philadelphia
                                        10

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                                  Tape Subject Log
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                                                          Conv. No. 597-3 (cont.)


     -Timing of announcement
     -Selections
     -Mitchell
     -Names under consideration
          -ABA
     -Timing of announcement
          -ABA
     -ABA
          -Possible veto power
          -Name submissions
                 -Warren E. Burger
          -Mitchell
          -Mildred L. Lillie and Herschel H. Friday
                 -The President's position

News media's actions
    -People's Republic of China [PRC] trip
         -Economic policy
         -Soviet trip

Supreme Court appointments
     -ABA
          -Burger
          -Press
     -Timing of announcement

Nobel Peace Prize
    -Willy Brandt
          -Announcement
          -The President’s view
          -Soviets
          -Kissinger
          -Rogers
          -Gerard C. Smith
    -Brandt

Relations with the media
     -Mary McGrory
           -Kissinger
                 -Peking
     -Peter Lisagor
                                    11

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                                                              Conv. No. 597-3 (cont.)


-Klein, Scali
-New York Times
-Lisagor
-Klein, Scali
-Robert B. Semple, Jr.
-Kissinger
      -Joseph A. Kraft
-Lisagor
      -Martin Z. Agronsky's television show
-Ziegler's schedule, October 19, 1971
      -Theodore H. White
            -Press
-Lisagor
-John F. Osborne
-Lisagor
-Klein
-Bill Potter of Baltimore Sun
-Lisagor
      -Klein
      -Ziegler's relationship with Lisagor
      -[Forename unknown] Sutherland
-The President's schedule for 1972
      -White House correspondents' dinner
      -Gridiron dinner
            -Cabinet officers
            -Supreme Court
      -White House photographers' dinner
            -Entertainment
      -Lyndon B. Johnson
-Ziegler's relationship with the press
      -Newsweek, Los Angeles Times
      -Marty Schram
      -Los Angeles Times
      -Newsday magazine
      -PRC trip
            -Priorities
                  -Wire services
                  -Magazines
                  -Television
                  -New York Times
                  -Associated Press [AP], United Press International [UPI]
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Ziegler left at 10:58 am.

     Employment
         -Jonathan C. Rose
              -California
              -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
                    -Federal employment reduction
              -Department of Defense
              -Personnel policies
         -Public broadcasting
         -Peace Corps
         -Rose
         -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW], Department of Housing and
              Urban Development [HUD], Department of Transportation, Peace Corps
         -Defense
         -Shultz
         -Budget cuts

     Eliot Janeway
           -Comments

     Personnel
          -Burns
               -Kissinger
          -Connally
          -Stans
          -Donald H. Rumsfeld
          -Governors, Senate
          -Flanigan
               -Talent survey
          -Frederic V. Malek's work
          -Gordon Gray
          -Talent searches
               -Chicago, Los Angeles, St. Louis, Detroit

     Textile Agreement
          -Peterson
          -Media's opinion
          -Administration's tactics
          -Rogers
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          -Stans
          -Kennedy
          -Peterson
          -Kissinger

US foreign policy
     -Rogers
          -Trip
                -Kissinger
                -USSR
                -Andrei A. Gromyko
                -PRC
                -USSR
                -Kissinger
                -Haig and Dwight L. Chapin
                -John H. Holdridge And Chapin
     -Stans
     -USSR
          -Kissinger
     -PRC
          -Personnel for trip
          -Congressmen
     -USSR
          -Visit by governors
          -Mansfield
          -Hugh Scott
          -Senate
     -Haig
          -Rogers
          -Stans
     -Rogers
          -USSR trip
          -Kissinger
          -Media
                -Washington Star story
                -Haldeman's conversation with Haig
     -Kissinger
          -Impact on US foreign policy
          -Nixon's role
                -PRC, USSR
                -Romania
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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                                                                   Conv. No. 597-3 (cont.)


                       -Vietnam
                            -Bombing

Ziegler entered at 11:14 am.

     Possible media inquiry
          -Brandt
               -Haig's view
               -Nobel Peace prize
                     -The President's reaction

Ziegler left at 11:16 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
          -John R. Price, Jr.
          -Proposed radio address for veterans
          -Robert Allen
                -Rose Mary Woods
                      -Responses to question
          -Media
                -The President's relations with reporters
                      -Woods
          -Robert H. Abplanalp
          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
          -Ehrlichman
                -Tax cut

     US foreign policy
          -Haig
               -Rogers
                     -Moscow trip plans
               -Haldeman's forthcoming conversation
          -Rogers
               -Possible trip to USSR
                     -Stans
                     -Trade
                     -Kissinger

H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 11:16 am
and 11:23 am.
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[Conversation No. 597-3C]

     Talking papers

[End of telephone conversation]

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:16 am.

     Meeting with Haig

Bull left at an unknown time before 11:23 am.

     Media impressions
         -The President's conversation with Harlow
         -Mitchell
         -Comments about the President
              -The President's physical appearance
                    -Health
                    -Comparisons
                          -Johnson
                          -John F. Kennedy
                          -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                               -Health
                          -Franklin D. Roosevelt
                               -Portrait of Dorian Gray

Haig entered at 11:23 am.

     The President’s trip to the USSR
          -Rogers
               -Kissinger
          -Washington Star story on Sunday October 17, 1971
               -Story on foreign policy credits by George Sherman
                      -Kissinger
                      -PRC, Romania
                      -Rogers
                      -Haig's conversation with Kissinger
          -Kissinger
               -Connally
                      -Schedule
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                                                    Conv. No. 597-3 (cont.)


-Rogers
     -Kissinger
     -Moscow
           -Compared with Kissinger in Peking
           -The President’s view
           -Kissinger
                 -Leonid I. Brezhnev
                 -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
                 -The President’s view
     -Trade talks in Moscow
           -Stans
           -Brezhnev
           -Dobrynin
           -Timing
                 -NATO meeting
                 -PRC trip
                 -Moscow trip
                      -Advance staff
           -Jacob D. Beam
           -Stans
-US relations with USSR
     -Kissinger’s involvement
     -Middle East
     -Dobrynin
     -Rogers
           -Possible visit
                 -Soviet view
     -European Security Conference
           -NATO
     -Rogers
           -Dobrynin
           -Martin J. Hillenbrand
           -Gromyko
           -Middle East
           -European Security Conference
                 -Kissinger
                 -NATO
                 -The President’s view
                      -Other negotiations
     -Dobrynin's contacts with administration
     -European Security Conference
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                                                  Conv. No. 597-3 (cont.)


     -Europeans
           -Brandt
                 -Time magazine
                       -Man of the Year
                       -The President’s view
                 -Nobel Prize
                       -Martin Luther King, Jr.
-Possible Soviet Summit
     -Secretary of State's role
           -The President’s view
                 -Kissinger
           -Robert H. Finch
                 -Latin America
           -Connally
                 -Asia
           -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                 -Greece
           -European countries
     -Preliminary work for Four-power meeting
           -NATO
                 -British position
                       -Paris meeting
     -Possible European tour
           -Consultations with allies
     -Possible Latin American consultations
           -Finch
           -Brazil, Venezuela
                 -Brazilia
           -Mexico City
     -Haig's assignment
           -Kissinger
     -Possible Latin American venture
           -Timing
           -Surcharge
           -Kissinger
           -Charles A. Meyer
                 -The President’s view
                 -Rogers’s role
                 -Finch
           -Haig’s responsibility
                 -Meyer
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                       -Haldeman
                  -Organization of American States [OAS]
                  -Emilio Garrastazu Medici
                       -Visit to US
                       -Brazil
                             -Brazilia
                             -Rio de Janeiro
            -Possible European tour
                  -NATO meeting
                       -Kissinger
-Possible Presidential meeting with Western European leaders
      -Timing
            -Haig’s view
            -Moscow trip
            -Peking trip
            -Rogers
            -Georges J.R. Pompidou
            -Kissinger
                  -Ecuador
                       -Fishing nights
-Role of the State Department
-Africa
      -Latin America
      -Organization of African Unity [OAU]
            -The President’s view
      -Mrs. Nixon’s forthcoming trip
            -Liberia
-Asia
      -Connally
-European meeting
      -Haig’s conversation with Kissinger
      -NATO
      -Kissinger
      -Security Conference
            -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT]
      -Pompidou
      -Belgium, Holland, Greece, Turkey
      -British
            -Walter H. Annenberg
      -Paris
            -US embassy
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                 -Pompidou
                      -Arthur K. Watson
                      -Rogers
                      -Paris
           -Latin America
                 -Rogers
                 -Finch

     Forthcoming UN vote on Taiwan
          -US actions
          -Greeks
                -Agnew’s actions
          -Turks
          -Venezuela
                -Oil exports
          -Argentina
          -Haig’s assessment
          -Bush
          -Ghana
          -Israel
                -Yitzhak Rabin
          -Rogers

Haig left at 11:58 am.

     Rogers
         -European Security Conference
              -The President’s view
              -Kissinger
         -Travel plans
              -Europe, Latin America

     The President's schedule
          -Europe
               -Big Four
               -Rogers
                      -Holland
                      -Luxembourg
                      -NATO

     Rogers
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     -Melvin R. Laird

Latin America
      -Democrats possible issue
      -Colombia, Venezuela, Mexico

US foreign policy
     -Latin America
           -Possible Presidential trip
                 -Mexico
     -Canada
           -Possible Presidential trip
           -Aleksei N. Kosygin's visit
                 -Demonstrations
           -The President's possible schedule
                 -USSR
                 -PRC
                 -Length of trip
                      -Official dinner
                      -Itinerary
           -Kosygin's visit
     -Foreign visitors to the US
           -Soviets
           -Tito
                 -Washington
                 -Los Angeles
     -European trip
           -Rogers
           -Kissinger
     -Democrats issues
     -Latin America

Economy
    -School milk
         -Casper W. Weinberger, George P. Shultz
         -Parents' ability to pay
    -Burns
         -Connally
         -Invitation to White House dinner
               -Connally
         -Federal Reserve Board [FRB] appointment
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                     -Connally
                     -Unknown man from Texas
                         -Connally’s view

     Personnel
          -Romana A. Banuelos
               -Senate confirmation
                    -Harris
                    -Vance Hartke
                    -Los Angeles Times

     Los Angeles Times news service
          -AP
          -UPI

     US foreign policy
          -Soviet trip
               -Kissinger
                      -Rogers
          -The President's forthcoming meeting with Chou En-lai
               -The President’s instructions
               -Kissinger
               -Rogers
               -Kissinger
               -The President’s instructions
                      -Haig
               -Mao Tse-tung
               -Interpreters

Haldeman left at 12:20 pm.