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Start Date: Tuesday, October 5, 1971 1:12 PM

End Date: Tuesday, October 5, 1971 5:11 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Butterfield, Alexander P.[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.Connally, John B.Shultz, George P.McCracken, Paul W.Stein, HerbertKissinger, Henry A.Ziegler, Ronald L.Safire, William L.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:06:33

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:01:15

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584b.mp3

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NARA Description:

On October 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, John B. Connally, George P. Shultz, Paul W. McCracken, Herbert Stein, Henry A. Kissinger, Ronald L. Ziegler, and William L. Safire met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:12 am to 1:11 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 584-003 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 584-3

Date: October 5, 1971
Time: 9:12 am - 1:11 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

     [Forename unknown] Wilson
          -Discussion of unknown person

     The President's previous conversation with William P. Rogers
          -Middle East
               -Henry A. Kissinger
               -People's Republic of China [PRC]
          -Ronald L. Ziegler
               -New York Times
                      -Tad Szulc
          -Kissinger and Rogers

     The President's schedule
          -Possible trip
                -John N. Mitchell
                -Staff responsibilities
                -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                -Timing
                -National Federation of Republican Women
                      -Timing
                -Press conference
          -Florida
                -Disney World
          -Charlotte
                -Camp David
          -The President's work habits
                -George P. Shultz
                -John D. Ehrlichman
                -Kissinger
                -[Unintelligible]
                      -John B. Connally
                -Kissinger

     -Kissinger
                                                3

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


           -Rogers
           -Middle East
           -Soviet Union

     The President’s schedule
          -National Federation of Republic Women
          -Florida
                -Disney World
          -Eisenhower Theater
          -World Series game
                -Baltimore

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 9:25 am.

           -Trips
           -Dr. D. Elton Trueblood
           -The President's 10:00 am meeting
                -Connally, Shultz, Herbert Stein
                -Paul W. McCracken

Butterfield left at an unknown time after 9:25 am.

           -Congress

     Congressional relations
         -Clark MacGregor
               -Performance
               -Supersonic Transport [SST]

     The President's schedule
          -Blair House renovations
          -Charles W. Colson
                -Cabinet Officers and Congressmen
                      -Commendation notices
                      -Rose Mary Woods [?]

     France
          -Trade
               -Unknown person’s [Winton M. (“Red”)] Blount action
          -Anti-drug efforts
          -Administration’s action
                                                4

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)



    Letter from Robert C. Tyson
          -Peter M. Flanigan
          -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                -Revisions
          -Television policy
                -The President's request of Kissinger
          -Reply
          -Invitation to White House dinner
          -Unknown volunteer
                -Presidential certificate of appreciation
                      -Citation for volunteer service


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    The President’s schedule
         -Thanksgiving
         -Christmas
              -Florida
                     -California
              -White House receptions
              -White House press office

    Public relations
         -Look magazine
                -Allen S. Drury
                -Interview with the President
                -Dwight D. Eisenhower administration
         -Press
         -Christmas receptions
                -White House Staff
                                           5

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                         Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


          -Congress
                -The President’s attendance
                -MacGregor
                -Ziegler
          -White House Staff and Cabinet
          -Invitation language

Blair House
      -Receptions
           -Youth event
           -Congressmen
           -Conservatives
                -George Putnam
           -Business Council
                -Flanigan
           -Congressmen
           -Room size
           -Youth

Possible Tennis match at the White House
     -Billie Jean King
     -Adam [Arthur] Ashe
     -Stan Smith
     -Spiro T. Agnew
     -Rowland Evans
     -Television coverage

[Arnold] Eric Sevareid
     -Comment on Supreme Court
          -Possible White House response

Evening at the White House
     -Lawrence Welk
           -American Broadcasting Company [ABC]
           -Independent networks
     -Paul W. Keyes

Reception
    -Conservative newsmen
    -Barry M. Goldwater
    -James L. Buckley
                                            6

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)



     Charles S. Rhyne
          -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
                -Possible ambassadorship
                -Robert Strausz-Hupe

     Maurice H. Stans
         -Proposed trip to Moscow
         -Peter G. Peterson

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 9:25 am.

     Item for Colson

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 10:10 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Timing of press conference
               -Kissinger
               -Questions on economy
                      -Phase II
                      -Kissinger
                      -Patrick J. Buchanan
                            -Forthcoming announcement of Soviet Summit
                            -Vietnam
                            -Briefing book for President
                                  -Phase II
                            -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -Forthcoming meeting with Aldo Moro
          -Detroit
               -Press
                      -Reporting outside of Washington
                            -Compared with Washington
                                  -International Monetary Fund [IMF]
                                  -Prisoners of War [POWs]
          -Montana
               -Michael J. Mansfield
               -Press coverage

     Frank Leonard
          -Compared to William L. Safire
                                               7

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


             -Article on the President's accomplishments
                   -Welfare
                   -Drugs
                   -Vietnam veterans
                   -Foreign aid
                   -Education reform
                   -Rogers
                         -Republican National Committee [RNC] newsletter

     Praise for the President
           -Robert H. Abplanalp and Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
           -Hobart D. Lewis
           -New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and Denver Post

     Press
             -Denver
             -President’s humor
             -Local press
             [-Unintelligible]
             -John F. Osborne

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 9:25 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Connally

Bull left at 10:06 am.

The President left and John B. Connally, George P. Shultz, Paul W. McCracken, and Herbert
Stein entered at 10:06 am.

     Jeb Stuart Magruder's conversation with Connally

Haldeman left at an unknown time after 10:06 am.

The President entered at an unknown time after 10:06 am.

     Salutations
          -Shultz
          -Book read by the President
                                      8

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                              Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. 10/06)
                                                        Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


Economy
    -Phase II
         -Shultz
         -Profits
         -Changes from memorandum
               -Goals
         -Workings of the President's advisers
         -Arthur F. Burns
         -Negotiating new contracts
         -Burns's memorandum
               -Rollbacks
                    -Strikes
                           -Steel companies
                    -General Motors
         -Follow up to the wage and price freeze
               -Pay Boards
                    -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
                    -Responsibility
         -Inflation
               -Consumer Price Index [CPI]
                    -Future
               -Wholesale prices
               -John A. Volpe
               -Japanese
                    -Honda
                    -Foreign policy
         -Regional differences among Americans
         -Productivity
               -Cost of living factor
                    -Unemployment
                           -Youth
         -Comparisons
               -Wage payments
               -Pay Boards
                    -Union contracts
                    -Wage and price problem
                    -Unemployment
                    -Labor-management positions
                    -Edward N. Cole
                    -Union negotiations
                    -Burns
                                              9

                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                     -Fiscal monetary policy
                           -Contingency for next year
               -Outlook
                     -Interest rates
                           -Burns
                           -The President’s view
               -COLC
                     -No-growth argument
               -The President's reference to a generation of peace
                     -Middle East
                     -Cuba
                     -PRC
                     -Soviet Union
                     -Importance of goal
               -Institutions being created
                     -Stein
                     -Pay Board
                     -Price Board
               -Connally
               -Profits
                     -Windfall
                           -Price reductions
                           -Attitudes of businessmen
                                 -American leadership class
                                      -Inflation
                                      -Outlook
                     -Policy of Commission

Haldeman entered at 11:00 am.

               -Beliefs of the American people
                     -Labor
                           -George Meany
               -Rebozo
               -Price Commission
               -Windfall
               -Burns
                     -David Rockefeller
                     -Connally
               -Pay Board
               -Price Commission
                              10

          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                      Tape Subject Log
                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                         Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


-Prices
      -Labor unions
      -Meany
-Dividends
-Pay Board
      -Price Board
-Political standpoint
             -Prices
      -Price Commission
-Interest
      -Dividends
      -Federal Reserve
             -Burns
                   -Camp David
                   -COLC
      -Secretary of the Treasury
      -Charls E. Walker
      -Donald Rumsfeld
      -Haldeman
      -Connally
             -Responsibilities
                   -International Monetary Fund [IMF]
             -Staff support
      -COLC
-Mortgage question
-George Romney
-Burns
      -Prime rate
-Rumsfeld
-Rent
      -Price Commission
      -Rent Board
-Internal Revenue Service [IRS]
      -Price Commission
      -Voluntary compliance
             -Jawboning
-COLC
      -Membership
             -State and local government participation
             -Businessmen
             -Virginia H. Knauer
                              11

          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                      Tape Subject Log
                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                     Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                  -Consumer Affairs representative
            -Lon L. Fuller
            -Unintelligible man
            -Phillip Areeda
            -Fuller
-Timing for announcement
-Poll
      -Press
      -Audience potential
            -Business people
-The President's press conferences
-The President's speech, November 3, 1969
-Summary
      -Price Board
            -Wage Board
-Timing for announcement
      -Noon
            -"I Love Lucy"
            -"As the World Turns"
            -"Love is a Many Splendored Thing"
      -Evening
            -West Coast
-Temporary measures in Phase I
      -10% surcharge
      -Wage and price freeze
-Timing for announcement
      -Daytime
            -Stock market
-Need for consultations
-Wage and price freeze
      -Situation to follow
-Labor leaders
-Prime time announcement
      -Meaning of Phase II
      -Call for support from American people
      -Labor council
      -Timing
      -Friday news shows
      -James D. Hodgson meeting with Meany
      -Public anticipation of Phase II
            -Louis P. Harris
                                                 12

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                      -Phrasing
                            -Introduction
                            -Conclusion
                            -Summary
                                  -Pay Board
                                        -Salaries
                                  -Price Board
                                        -Windfall profits
                            -Reason for Phase I's success
                            -International scene
                            -Emphasis on success of Phase I
                            -Length
                      -Competition from other programs
                      -Timing
                            -Audience size
                                  -Businessmen
                -Need for consultations
                -Timing for briefings
                -Dan Rather
                -Importance as newspaper story
                      -Wall Street Journal, New York Times, and Los Angeles Times
                      -Dealing with the press
                -Labor support
                -Prime time announcement
                -The President's schedule
                      -Tun Abdul Razak
                -Draft of speech
                      -[Unintelligible]
                      -William L. Safire
                -Concern about leaks
                -Safire
                      -Burns
                -Interest and dividends

Shultz, McCracken, and Stein left at 11:59 am.

     The President's schedule
          -Connally
               -Idanell B. (“Nellie”) Connally
               -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
                      -Event
                                               13

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                         Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                  -Connally's schedule

     Supreme Court
          -Conservative appointments
                -Sevareid’s comment
          -William J. Brennan, Thurgood Marshall, Potter Stewart, William O. Douglas

     Chile
             -Salvador Allende Gossens
                  -Expropriation
                  -Connally’s view
                  -Washington Star and Washington Post
             -Expropriation
                  -Peru
                  -Bolivia
             -Connally’s view
             -The President’s view

Connally left at an unknown time after 11:59 am.

     Timing of announcement

The President left at an unknown time after 11:59 am.

The President entered at an unknown time before 12:02 pm.

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger at an unknown time between 11:59 am and 12:02
pm.

[Conversation No. 584-3A]

     Request for meeting

[End of telephone conversation]

     Timing of Phase II announcement

     Connally
         -Graham

     The President's schedule
                                               14

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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


             -Safire
             -Kissinger

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 12:02 pm.

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Comments to press
                -PRC
                -John A. Scali
                      -Ziegler
                -Media

     Economy
         -Phase II announcement
              -Timing
              -Ziegler

     Chile
             -Connally
             -Allende
                  -Expropriation
                  -The President’ view
                  -Kissinger’s previous conversation with Connally
                  -US policy
             -Peruvians
             -Bolivia

     The President's Schedule
          -Meeting with Latin Americans leaders
               -Forthcoming trip of Robert H. Finch
                      -President’s previous conversation with William P. Rogers
               -Mexico
                      -Mexico City
                      -Acapulco
               -Brazil
                      -Brazilia
               -Luis Echeverria Alvarez
               -Rogers
               -Finch’s trip
               -Department of State
                      -Rogers
                                              15

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                      -Logistics

Ziegler entered at 12:05 pm.

     Forthcoming trip to PRC
          -Briefing
                -Ziegler's presentation
                     -Kissinger's schedule
                            -Timing of PRC trip
                -Kissinger's presence
                     -Kissinger's presentation
                            -American policy vis-a-vis Chinese domestic situation
                            -Preparations for the trip
                            -Taiwan
          -The President's background preparation
                -Detroit
                -Oregon

     Kissinger's relations with the press
          -Max Frankel
          -New York Times
          -Press participation on Kissinger's PRC trip
          -[Unintelligible]
          -David Kraslow
                -Editorial boards's position
          -Osborne
          -Mike Wallace

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Mansfield
          -Mao Tse-Tung
          -J. William Fulbright
                -Vietnam
          -Edward W. Brooke
                -Missiles
          -Carl B. Albert

     July 15, 1971 announcement

     Press briefing
           -South Vietnamese elections
                                        16

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


      -Hanoi
          -Peking

PRC
      -Announcement on October 14, 1971
      -Congratulatory comments
           -Gerald R. Ford
      -Identical announcement from the PRC
      -Media interest
           -Newspapers
           -Television
           -Alfred Le S. Jenkins
                  -Responsibilities
           -Scheduling of stories
                  -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] announcement
                  -July 15th announcement
                  -Phase II
           -Taft-Hartley Act
           -Liberal distrust of the administration
                  -Robert Pierpoint
                  -Views of the press
                        -Communism
                  -Credibility gap
                        -John D. Ehrlichman
                  -Lyndon B. Johnson administration
      -Vietnam
           -Hanoi
                  -Cambodia
           -Ottawa
                  -PRC
                  -Indochina
      -Ralph T. Albertazzie
      -White house staff interest in PRC trip
      -Anticipated stress of trip by president
           -Background preparations
           -Compared with Andrei A. Gromyko visit
           -Background preparations
                  -Briefing papers
      -Anticipated negotiations
           -Stans
           -Japanese
                                               17

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                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                -Middle East
           -Preparation for the President’s trip
                -Kissinger's projected format in Peking
                      -Chou En-lai
                      -Negotiating groups
                            -Dwight L. Chapin
                            -Rogers
                            -Communiqué
                -Projected announcement of date of President's trip
                      -Timing
                      -United Nations [UN] vote
                      -Timing

     The President's schedule
          -Safire

Ziegler left at 12:33 pm.

     PRC
           -Unknown man
           -Ziegler's press briefings

     Soviet Union-US Summit
          -Forthcoming announcement
               -Ziegler
          -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
               -Soviet-American relations
                     -Dobrynin’s comments
                          -John F. Kennedy
               -Middle East

     Schedule of events
          -Vietnam
               -Peace talks
                     -Possible US airstrikes
               -Nguyen Van Thieu
                     -Haig

     Kissinger's schedule
          -New York
                -Mahmoud Riad
                                               18

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                      -Rockefeller
                      -Middle East
           -Chile

William L. Safire entered and Kissinger left at 12:38 pm.

The President left at an unknown time after 12:38 pm.

     The President's forthcoming speech
          -Timing

The President entered at an unknown time before 1:05 pm.

     The President's speech announcing Phase II
          -Timing
          -Content
               -Wording
               -Length
          -Herbert Stein
          -Scheduling
          -Wage and price freeze
               -Progress report
          -Goal
               -Need for interests to cooperate
               -Prosperity without war
               -Employment
               -Inflation
                      -Prices
                            -Windfall profits
               -International importance
               -Interest rate
               -Pay Board
               -Congress
               -Duration of program
               -Cooperation of groups
                      -Phase II
               -Peace and prosperity without inflation
          -Impact of PRC announcement
          -Temporary nature of program
               -Bureaucrats
               -Pay Board and Price Board
                                              19

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


                       -COLC
           -Future briefings
                 -Connally, Shultz, McCracken
           -Cost of Living Council
           -Themes
                 -Sacrifice
                 -Confidence
           -Purpose
                 -Follow-up by experts
           -The President's schedule
                 -Time draft required
                       -Follow-up
           -Announcement
                 -Timing
                       -COLC
                       -Prime time
                             -California
                       -Press
                             -New York Times, Washington Post, and Wall Street Journal
                       -Prime Time
                             -Press conference
                       -COLC
           -Safire's assignment
                 -The President's schedule

Safire left at 1:05 pm.

     Safire
           -Raymond K. Price

     The President's speech announcing Phase II
          -Length

     Rose Mary Woods
          -Health

     Rogers and Kissinger
         -Trip

     Ron [Surname unknown]
                                             20

                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 584-3 (cont.)


Haldeman left at 1:11pm.