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Start Date: 28-Sep-1971 4:23 PM

End Date: 28-Sep-1971 5:21 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)White House operatorScott, HughGriffin, Robert P.Ford, Gerald R.Arends, Leslie C.MacGregor, ClarkZiegler, Ronald L.Shultz, George P.Ehrlichman, John D.Eisenhower, Julie NixonColson, Charles W.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:42:38

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:44:16

579a.mp3

579b.mp3

579c.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, Clark MacGregor, Ronald L. Ziegler, George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:23 pm and 5:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 579-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 579-10

Date: September 28, 1971
Time: Unknown between 4:23 pm and 5:21 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with the White House operator.

[Conversation No. 579-10A]

[See Conversation No. 10-11]
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                         Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, Clark MacGregor, Ronald L.
Ziegler, George P. Shultz, and John D. Ehrlichman entered at 4:23 pm.

[End of telephone conversation]

     [Greetings]

     [General conversation]

     Funeral for Justice Hugo L. Black

     Instructions to Ziegler to hold telephone calls

Ziegler talked with Julie Eisenhower at an unknown time after 4:23 pm.

[Conversation No. 579-10B]

[See Conversation No. 10-12]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President’s schedule
          -Meeting
               -Agenda
                      -List

     Tax package in House of Representatives
          -House committee
               -Bill
               -The President's proposal
               -Percent
                     -Amount of money
               -Treasury Department
          -Taxes
          -Trust fund
               -Losing money
          -Rules Committee meeting
               -Date
                     -Presentation
                          -Speaker of the House
                                        36

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


Tax package in Senate
     -Mark ups
          -Date
          -Amendments
     -The President's economic initiatives
     -Wallace F. Bennett
     -Russell F. Long
          -Trade offs
     -Bennett
     -Excise tax
     -Timing
          -Long
     -National budget
     -Automobile dealers
          -Charles W. Colson
                 -Relationship between Colson and dealers
     -Senators
          -Pressure
                 -Arthur F. Burns

Defense
     -William B. Saxbe's amendment
           -McDonnell-Douglas contract
                 -Britain
     -Gaylord Nelson's amendment, September 29. 1971
           -William Proxmire
     -Saxbe
           -Anti-ballistic missile [ABM]
           -Helsinki, Finland
     -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] talks
     -Thomas F. Eagleton

Foreign affairs
     -J. William Fulbright
           -Rhodesia
     -Michael J. Mansfield
     -Joseph M. Montoya
           -Report of South Vietnamese election

Meeting with Mansfield
     -Stennis
                                         37

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


     -Timing
     -John G. Tower
     -David H. Gambrell
     -Timing
     -Federal employees wage deferment
     -Military Procurement Bill
           -Timing
     -W. Stuart Symington
           -Laos Amendment
     -Votes
     -Conferees
           -Senate version
     -F. Edward Hebert
           -Neutrality
           -Carl B. Albert
           -Tabling motion
     -House of Representatives
           -Reorganization

Vietnam space
     -US legislation
     -US withdrawal of troops
     -Mansfield amendment
          -Credit for ending the war
                -President
                -Congress
          -The President's efforts
                -Opposition from Congress
                       -Mansfield Amendment
                           -Effect on negotiations
          -Possible parliamentary action
                -Hebert
                -Albert
                -Conferees
     -Foreign aid bill
          -Authorizations
          -Conferees
     -Senate action
          -Effect on negotiations
                -Timing
          -Credit
                                        38

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


     -South Vietnamese election, October 3, 1971
          -Public impact
          -Press
          -Tactics
                -Duong Van Minh
                -Nguyen Cao Ky
     -Foreign countries
          -Leaders
                -Contested elections
                -The President's meeting with the Organization of African Unity
                      -Contested election in Africa
          -Colombia
          -Mexico
          -Vietnam
                -Legislatures
          -George Washington
                -Nguyen Van Thieu
          -Election in South Vietnam

Mansfield amendment
    -Military Procurement Bill
          -Hebert
    -Stennis
    -Congress
          -Convening
    -Political questions
    -Credit for ending the war
    -Albert

Federal wage deferral bill
     -Shultz
     -Morris K. Udall's bill
          -Provisions
          -Federal employees
          -Private sector
     -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
          -Private sector
                -Employees
                      -Percentage
          -Federal employees
                -Wage adjustment
                                  39

               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                        Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


                -Percent
-Presumptions
      -Phase II economics
      -Labor representatives
            -George Meany
            -Leonard Woodcock
      -Arthur F. Burns
-Regulation of federal wages
      -Comparability
      -The President's proposal
-Status
      -Date
      -Resolution of disapproval
      -Passage
            -Senate's actions
            -The President's signature
            -COLC
      -Figures
            -Federal employees
                 -Percentage
-Military pay increase
      -Gale W. McGee
-Civilian employees
      -Pay raise
-Administration's strategy
      -The President's alternative plan
            -Phase II
            -Proposals
      -Labor representatives
      -Congress
      -Labor
            -Support for the President
-Republicans
      -Lawrence J. Hogan
-Democrats
      -Tom Bevill
      -David N. Henderson
            -Conversation with Ford
                 -Number of possible Democratic votes
      -Number needed by administration
            -Chambers of Commerce
                                             40

                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


                      - National Association of Manufacturers [NAM]
                            -Support for the President
          -Mail
                -Public's views
                     -Opinion Research Corporation [ORC]
                            -Results
                                 -Albert
                -Quantity
          -Propaganda from government employees
                -Representative
                -Chamber of Commerce
          -Timing of vote
                -H[arold] R[oyce] Gross
          -Military pay
          -Pressure on Democrats

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:23 pm and
4:55 pm.

[Conversation No. 579-10C]

[See Conversation No. 10-13]

[End of telephone conversation]

          Federal Wage Defferal Bill
               -Pressure on Democrats
                    -Military installations
                    -Government employees
                    -US News and World Report
                          -State per capita income

The President talked with Charles W. Colson between 4:55 pm and 4:57 pm.

[Conversation No. 579-10D]

[See Conversation No. 10-14]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Welfare reform
                                        41

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)



Economic tax package

Welfare programs

Revenue sharing
    -Wilbur D. Mills
    -Executive meetings
          -Voting
    -Recess
          -The President's wage and price freeze
    -Mills
          -Health hearings
    -Ford's conversation with John W. Byrnes
    -Ways and Means Committee
          -Hiatus
                -Tax package
                -Timing
                -Barber B. Conable, Jr.
    -Mills's schedule
          -Speaking engagements
    -Governors
    -Mayors
    -Local officials
    -Spiro T. Agnew
          -Speech
                -California
    -Nelson A. Rockefeller
    -Mills
          -Speech previous Sunday
                -News summary
          -Use of delays
    -Proposals
          -Local units of government
          -Tax credit
                -State tax
                -John Byrnes
    -State legislatures
          -Question for Mills
    -Welfare reform
          -Republicans
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)



Congress's actions
    -Revenue sharing
    -Welfare reform
           -Bill
    -The President's comments in Detroit
           -Revenue sharing
           -Welfare service reform
    -Finance Committee
           -Griffin
    -Adjournment
    -Leadership in Congress

Supreme Court appointments
     -The President's previous conversation with Griffin
     -John N. Mitchell's conversation with Scott
     -Timing of announcements
     -Richard H. Poff
           -Possibility of Senate confirmation
           -Emanuel Celler
           -Charles McC. Mathias
           -John J. Rhodes's conversation with Saxbe
           -Robert A. Taft, Jr.
           -Proposed meetings between Griffin, Taft, and Charles H. Percy, and Ted
                 Stevens
           -Mark O. Hatfield
                 -Political problems
                       -Tom McCall
           -Percy
                 -Mitchell
                 -Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr.
                 -G. Harrold Carswell
           -Mills
           -Southern manifesto
           -J. William Fulbright
           -Philip A. Hart
           -Birch E. Bayh, Jr.
           -Necessity for Southern appointment
     -Griffin, Scott
           -Pressure for Supreme Court appointees
     -Mitchell
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


          -Conversation with the President concerning announcement
     -Background checks
     -Woman candidate for Court
          -Effect of nomination
          -List of recommendees
          -Possible Senate approval
          -Working habits of Court
                -William O. Douglas

Congressional adjournment
    -Rules Committee
          -Emergency legislation
                -Date
    -Albert's conversation with Ford
          -Thanksgiving week schedule
    -Rules Committee's criteria
          -Bill
          -Deadlines
    -Albert's plans
    -Mansfield's conversation with Scott
    -Thanksgiving recess
    -Revenue sharing
    -Welfare reform
    -Environment bill
    -Tax package
    -Revenue sharing
    -Welfare reform
    -Confirmation
          -Date

Edward M. Kennedy
    -Prisoner of war [POW] statement
          -News story
          -Associated Press [AP]
          -POW wives
               -Breakfast

Book by Edith Efron
    -Networks coverage of 1968 election

Meetings
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                                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                          Tape Subject Log
                                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.)


            -Size
            -Formality
            -OAU
            -Timing
                  -Press coverage
                       -Detroit trip

Scott, et al. left at 5:21 pm.

      Republicans
          -Support from Scott
          -Haynsworth and Carswell
          -Poff

Griffin left at an unknown time before 5:23 pm.