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Start Date: 28-Sep-1971 4:23 PM
End Date: 28-Sep-1971 5:21 PM
Participants:Nixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Scott, Hugh; Griffin, Robert P.; Ford, Gerald R.; Arends, Leslie C.; MacGregor, Clark; Ziegler, Ronald L.; Shultz, George P.; Ehrlichman, John D.; Eisenhower, Julie Nixon; Colson, Charles W.;
Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:42:38
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:44:16
On September 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, Clark MacGregor, Ronald L. Ziegler, George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman, Julie Nixon Eisenhower, and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:23 pm and 5:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 579-010 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 579-10 Date: September 28, 1971 Time: Unknown between 4:23 pm and 5:21 pm Location: Oval Office The President talked with the White House operator. [Conversation No. 579-10A] [See Conversation No. 10-11] 35 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends, Clark MacGregor, Ronald L. Ziegler, George P. Shultz, and John D. Ehrlichman entered at 4:23 pm. [End of telephone conversation] [Greetings] [General conversation] Funeral for Justice Hugo L. Black Instructions to Ziegler to hold telephone calls Ziegler talked with Julie Eisenhower at an unknown time after 4:23 pm. [Conversation No. 579-10B] [See Conversation No. 10-12] [End of telephone conversation] The President’s schedule -Meeting -Agenda -List Tax package in House of Representatives -House committee -Bill -The President's proposal -Percent -Amount of money -Treasury Department -Taxes -Trust fund -Losing money -Rules Committee meeting -Date -Presentation -Speaker of the House 36 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) Tax package in Senate -Mark ups -Date -Amendments -The President's economic initiatives -Wallace F. Bennett -Russell F. Long -Trade offs -Bennett -Excise tax -Timing -Long -National budget -Automobile dealers -Charles W. Colson -Relationship between Colson and dealers -Senators -Pressure -Arthur F. Burns Defense -William B. Saxbe's amendment -McDonnell-Douglas contract -Britain -Gaylord Nelson's amendment, September 29. 1971 -William Proxmire -Saxbe -Anti-ballistic missile [ABM] -Helsinki, Finland -Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty [SALT] talks -Thomas F. Eagleton Foreign affairs -J. William Fulbright -Rhodesia -Michael J. Mansfield -Joseph M. Montoya -Report of South Vietnamese election Meeting with Mansfield -Stennis 37 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) -Timing -John G. Tower -David H. Gambrell -Timing -Federal employees wage deferment -Military Procurement Bill -Timing -W. Stuart Symington -Laos Amendment -Votes -Conferees -Senate version -F. Edward Hebert -Neutrality -Carl B. Albert -Tabling motion -House of Representatives -Reorganization Vietnam space -US legislation -US withdrawal of troops -Mansfield amendment -Credit for ending the war -President -Congress -The President's efforts -Opposition from Congress -Mansfield Amendment -Effect on negotiations -Possible parliamentary action -Hebert -Albert -Conferees -Foreign aid bill -Authorizations -Conferees -Senate action -Effect on negotiations -Timing -Credit 38 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) -South Vietnamese election, October 3, 1971 -Public impact -Press -Tactics -Duong Van Minh -Nguyen Cao Ky -Foreign countries -Leaders -Contested elections -The President's meeting with the Organization of African Unity -Contested election in Africa -Colombia -Mexico -Vietnam -Legislatures -George Washington -Nguyen Van Thieu -Election in South Vietnam Mansfield amendment -Military Procurement Bill -Hebert -Stennis -Congress -Convening -Political questions -Credit for ending the war -Albert Federal wage deferral bill -Shultz -Morris K. Udall's bill -Provisions -Federal employees -Private sector -Cost of Living Council [COLC] -Private sector -Employees -Percentage -Federal employees -Wage adjustment 39 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) -Percent -Presumptions -Phase II economics -Labor representatives -George Meany -Leonard Woodcock -Arthur F. Burns -Regulation of federal wages -Comparability -The President's proposal -Status -Date -Resolution of disapproval -Passage -Senate's actions -The President's signature -COLC -Figures -Federal employees -Percentage -Military pay increase -Gale W. McGee -Civilian employees -Pay raise -Administration's strategy -The President's alternative plan -Phase II -Proposals -Labor representatives -Congress -Labor -Support for the President -Republicans -Lawrence J. Hogan -Democrats -Tom Bevill -David N. Henderson -Conversation with Ford -Number of possible Democratic votes -Number needed by administration -Chambers of Commerce 40 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) - National Association of Manufacturers [NAM] -Support for the President -Mail -Public's views -Opinion Research Corporation [ORC] -Results -Albert -Quantity -Propaganda from government employees -Representative -Chamber of Commerce -Timing of vote -H[arold] R[oyce] Gross -Military pay -Pressure on Democrats The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:23 pm and 4:55 pm. [Conversation No. 579-10C] [See Conversation No. 10-13] [End of telephone conversation] Federal Wage Defferal Bill -Pressure on Democrats -Military installations -Government employees -US News and World Report -State per capita income The President talked with Charles W. Colson between 4:55 pm and 4:57 pm. [Conversation No. 579-10D] [See Conversation No. 10-14] [End of telephone conversation] Welfare reform 41 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) Economic tax package Welfare programs Revenue sharing -Wilbur D. Mills -Executive meetings -Voting -Recess -The President's wage and price freeze -Mills -Health hearings -Ford's conversation with John W. Byrnes -Ways and Means Committee -Hiatus -Tax package -Timing -Barber B. Conable, Jr. -Mills's schedule -Speaking engagements -Governors -Mayors -Local officials -Spiro T. Agnew -Speech -California -Nelson A. Rockefeller -Mills -Speech previous Sunday -News summary -Use of delays -Proposals -Local units of government -Tax credit -State tax -John Byrnes -State legislatures -Question for Mills -Welfare reform -Republicans 42 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) Congress's actions -Revenue sharing -Welfare reform -Bill -The President's comments in Detroit -Revenue sharing -Welfare service reform -Finance Committee -Griffin -Adjournment -Leadership in Congress Supreme Court appointments -The President's previous conversation with Griffin -John N. Mitchell's conversation with Scott -Timing of announcements -Richard H. Poff -Possibility of Senate confirmation -Emanuel Celler -Charles McC. Mathias -John J. Rhodes's conversation with Saxbe -Robert A. Taft, Jr. -Proposed meetings between Griffin, Taft, and Charles H. Percy, and Ted Stevens -Mark O. Hatfield -Political problems -Tom McCall -Percy -Mitchell -Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr. -G. Harrold Carswell -Mills -Southern manifesto -J. William Fulbright -Philip A. Hart -Birch E. Bayh, Jr. -Necessity for Southern appointment -Griffin, Scott -Pressure for Supreme Court appointees -Mitchell 43 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) -Conversation with the President concerning announcement -Background checks -Woman candidate for Court -Effect of nomination -List of recommendees -Possible Senate approval -Working habits of Court -William O. Douglas Congressional adjournment -Rules Committee -Emergency legislation -Date -Albert's conversation with Ford -Thanksgiving week schedule -Rules Committee's criteria -Bill -Deadlines -Albert's plans -Mansfield's conversation with Scott -Thanksgiving recess -Revenue sharing -Welfare reform -Environment bill -Tax package -Revenue sharing -Welfare reform -Confirmation -Date Edward M. Kennedy -Prisoner of war [POW] statement -News story -Associated Press [AP] -POW wives -Breakfast Book by Edith Efron -Networks coverage of 1968 election Meetings 44 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-10 (cont.) -Size -Formality -OAU -Timing -Press coverage -Detroit trip Scott, et al. left at 5:21 pm. Republicans -Support from Scott -Haynsworth and Carswell -Poff Griffin left at an unknown time before 5:23 pm.