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Start Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1971 9:51 PM
End Date: Tuesday, September 28, 1971 10:42 PM
Participants:Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan); Kissinger, Henry A.; White House operator; Colson, Charles W.;
Recording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:13:20
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:59:55
On September 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, White House operator, and Charles W. Colson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:51 pm and 6:42 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 579-015 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 579-15 49 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Date: September 28, 1971 Time: Unknown between 5:51 pm and 6:42 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman. Vietnam -National League of Families -Henry A. Kissinger's statement for the President -The President's position -Prisoners of war [POWs] families -Raymond K. Price, Jr. -Summary The President talked with Mrs. Nixon between 5:53 pm and 5:54 pm. [Conversation No. 579-15A] [See Conversation No. 10-18; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation] [End of telephone conversation] Kissinger entered at 5:55 pm. Mansfield amendment -F. Edward Hebert -Vote in House of Representatives -Gerald R. Ford -Leslie C. Arends -Hebert -Carl D. Albert -Conversation with the President -Hebert -Ford -Arends -Ford's views -Draft -The President's administration -Effort towards passing legislation -Ford -Individuals voting for Mansfield amendment 50 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) -Election -Possible outcome in respect to voting for amendment -End of war -Time length -POWs -Effect on negotiations -Republicans and Democrats -Hebert -Support People's Republic of China [PRC] -Kissinger's conversation with William P. Rogers -Announcement of Kissinger's trip -Rogers's analysis -Kissinger's trip -United Nations [UN] vote -Comparison to India trip -UN vote -Timing -Gorge H.W. Bush's views -General debate -Soviet Union trip announcement -Effect from announcement -Date of announcement of trip -Kissinger's conversation with Rogers -Kissinger's interim visit -PRC's responsibility -Replacement of Kissinger by another -Trip by the president -Rogers's knowledge -Results -Contacts with US -Rogers's reaction to Kissinger's trip -Kissinger's conversation with Rogers -Press attendance -Publicity for Kissinger -State Department personnel -U. Alexis Johnson -Rank -David K.E. Bruce -Strategy of Kissinger and Haldeman 51 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) -Comparison to India trip -The President's PRC trip -Advance team -John D. Ehrlichman -Secretary of State -Johnson -Effect -Kissinger's trip to PRC -Effect on UN vote -Bush -Length of debate -Kissinger's presence in PRC -Date of debate -Bush -Length of debate -Possible request of Bush Mansfield Amendment -Capitol Hill actions -Arends, Ford Announcement by PRC -Parade cancellation -Timing PRC -Politics -Chou En-lai -Briefing in Hong Kong -Mao Tse-tung's health -The President's visit to PRC -Madam Mao [Chiang Ching] -May 16 Group The President’s PRC policy -Holmes P. Tuttle -Telephone call to Kissinger -Kissinger’s briefing -Effect on conservatives -Support for the President -Support for the President 52 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) -Ronald W. Reagan Kissinger's forthcoming trip to PRC -Rogers -Concern about press accompaniment -Comparison to India trip -Kissinger's previous visit to PRC -Johnson -State Department accompaniment -Johnson -Marshall Green -Control by Kissinger -Alfred Les Jenkins -Advice to Kissinger -Kissinger's conversations with PRC officials -Negotiation tiers -Technicians -Chou En-lai -Timing of announcement -Domestic impact -UN vote on Taiwan -Situation -Debate -State Department -Bush -Debate at UN -Timing -Kissinger's visit to PRC -African issues ************************************************************************** BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 [National Security] [Duration: 1m 52s ] AFRICA 53 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2 ************************************************************************** Kissinger's forthcoming trip to PRC -Rogers -Planning dates -Negotiations between US and PRC -UN vote on Taiwan -Reasons for Kissinger's presence in PRC -Chou En-lai -Effect on UN vote Mansfield amendment -Deadline in House of Representatives Edward M. Kennedy's statement to POW wives -Ford -POW issue -Remark -Ngo Dinh Diem assassination -John F. Kennedy's administration responsibility -Charles W. Colson's possible actions Joseph McCarthy Vietnam -End of war -Credit -Mansfield amendment -Press coverage -Possible effect on negotiations -Ceasefire -Effect on deadline issue -Nguyen Van Thieu issue -Thieu's election -Hugh Scott's question -Possible impact -Kissinger's PRC trip announcement -Effect on US position in relation to North Vietnam 54 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) PRC -Question of cancellation of trip -Relationship with us Soviet Union Vietnam -Negotiations -Pace -Type of results -Mansfield Amendment -Capitol Hill reaction -Congress -Senate -Effect on negotiations -Negotiating strategy by US -Security leaks -Melvin R. Laird -Trips -End of war -Negotiations -Credit for ending the war -Record -Public opinion -The President's actions -Mansfield Amendment's effect on negotiations -Thieu -North Vietnamese reaction to US offers Kissinger's forthcoming visit to PRC -Reasons -Question about US recognition problem -Discussion in the President’s presence -Rogers's concerns -US relations with Taiwan -Effects of Kissinger's trip on Taiwan relations with US -Timing of debate in UN -Bush -Kissinger's relationship with Rogers -Paris meetings 55 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) -Publicity for Kissinger -UN vote -Bush -Delay -Timing of Kissinger's trip to PRC The President talked with the white house operator at an unknown time between 5:55 pm and 6:26 pm. [Conversation No. 579-15B] [See Conversation No. 10-19] [End of telephone conversation] UN debate on Taiwan -Timing -Length Kissinger's forthcoming trip to PRC -Speculation by US -Dates -Soviet Union announcement compared to PRC announcement -Rogers -Andrei A. Gromyko Soviet Union trip -Rogers's role -Kissinger's upcoming meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin -Memorandum The President talked with Colson between 6:26 pm and 6:30 pm. [Conversation No. 579-15C] [See Conversation No. 10-20] [End of telephone conversation] The President's schedule -The President's attendance at the National League of Families Convention 56 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) -Robert J. Dole’s appearance -Response -Kissinger's comments in past -US strategy -Vietcong -Envoys -Laird's comments -The President's possible comments -POWs and Missing in action [MIAs] -Edward Kennedy -Propriety POW families -Relationship with Laird -Achievement of prisoner exchange National League of Families convention -Laird's statement -News coverage -The President's statement -News coverage -Press coverage -Movement and location within room -Knowledge of the President's appearance -White House press -Statler Hilton Hotel -The President's schedule -Time Mansfield amendment -Hebert, Arends -Instructing conferees -Committee North Vietnam -As issue -Bombing -Mansfield's comments John Sherman Cooper 57 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) Marlow W. Cook -Retirement -Time duration Kissinger left at 6:37 pm. Funeral for Justice Hugo L. Black -The President's attendance -Effect -Exploitation National League of Families Convention -Timing -Number of people -Location -Head table -The President's schedule -Arrival time Mansfield amendment -Clark MacGregor -Ford -Support for the President on Capitol Hill -Hebert -Vote -Strength -Success on issues -Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr. -Supersonic Transport [SST] -Capitol Hill -House -Conference -Politics Kissinger and Rogers -Relationship -Trip to PRC -Green The President's schedule -Wire service coverage 58 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF Tape Subject Log (rev. 10/06) Conv. No. 579-15 (cont.) -Drop-by -Justice Black's funeral The President and Haldeman left at 6:42 pm.