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Start Date: Friday, August 13, 1971 4:29 PM

End Date: Friday, August 13, 1971 5:45 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Butterfield, Alexander P.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Woods, Rose MaryWhite House operatorNixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Kissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.Sanchez, ManoloMitchell, John N.Ehrlichman, John D.Shultz, George P.Morgan, Edward L.Kehrli, Bruce A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:19:59

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:37:45

563a.mp3

563b.mp3

NARA Description:

On August 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Rose Mary Woods, White House operator, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, Manolo Sanchez, John N. Mitchell, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz, Edward L. Morgan, and Bruce A. Kehrli met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:29 pm to 1:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 563-006 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 563-6

Date: August 13, 1971
Time: 12:29 pm - 1:45 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     President’s schedule
          -Photograph session

Butterfield left at 12:30 pm.

     President's schedule
          -Ronald L. Ziegler
          -Photograph session
                 -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
                 -Press photographers
                 -Atkins

Rose Mary Woods entered at 12:30 pm.
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)



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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:30 pm and
12:32 pm.

[Conversation No. 563-6A]

[See Conversation No. 7-113]

[End of telephone conversation]
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


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[The President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon between 12:32 pm and 12:33 pm]

[Conversation No. 563-3B]

[See Conversation No. 7-114; one item has been withdrawn from the conversation]

[End of telephone conversation]


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     Jouett Shouse

     Wolf Trap
          -Performance
                -Dinner in 1970 in Los Angeles
                     -Dorothy Chandler
          -Fire


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
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[Duration: 1m 36s ]

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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                         Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


Woods left at 12:37 pm.

     President's schedule
          -John N. Mitchell, George P. Shultz, John D. Ehrlichman, Edward L. Morgan

     George C. Wallace

     President’s schedule
          -Camp David
                -Mrs. Nixon
                -Aspen Lodge
                      -Birch Lodge

     White House summer interns
          -Henry A. Kissinger

Kissinger entered at 12:39 pm.

     President’s schedule
          President's previous National Security Council [NSC] meeting
          -Forthcoming meeting

Stephen B. Bull entered and left at 12:39 pm.

     President's schedule
          -Service secretaries
                 -Melvin R. Laird

     President's previous NSC meeting
          -US military dispositions in Pacific
                 -Laird's views
                      -Budget
                 -Air wings

     India-Pakistan
           -Robert S. McNamara's call to Kissinger, August 13, 1971
                -East Pakistan
                      -Famine
                      -Refugees
                           -Indians
                -Edward M. Kennedy's possible action
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


          -McGeorge Bundy's call to Kissinger, August 13, 1971
               -Relief effort
                     -Kennedy
               -William D. Eberle
                     -Role With Administration
                           -Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development [OECD]
                           -Peter G. Peterson
          -Us Relief Effort
               -Roy L. Ash
               -James A. Perkins
                     -Cornell University
               -William P. Rogers

     President's schedule
          -Camp David
                 -Peterson
          -Forthcoming speech on economic program, August 16, 1971
                 -Content
                       -Closing gold window
                       -Import tax
                            -General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade [GATT]

An unknown person [Manolo Sanchez?] entered at an unknown time after 12: 34 pm.

     National economy
          -President's forthcoming program
                -Gold window
                -Import tax, wage-price freeze
                      -Purpose
                            -Japan

The unknown person [Sanchez?] left at an unknown time before 12:46 pm.

          -Textiles
                -Peterson's memo
          -Staff recommendations
                -Ehrlichman
                -Peterson
                -Peter Flanigan
                -Relevancy
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


     Kissinger's previous meeting with conservative columnists
          -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -People's Republic of China [PRC]
          -National defense
                -Taxes
                -Anti-ballistic missile [ABM]

     Kissinger's schedule

Kissinger left and Mitchell, Ehrlichman, Morgan and Shultz entered at 12:46 pm.

     Busing
          -Columbia, South Carolina
                -School board's plan
                      -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]
                      -Vote
                      -Additional busing
                            -Reasons
                            -Population
                            -Law
                      -HEW
                            -Swan case
                      -Community reaction
                      -Press reaction
                      -National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]
          -Possible administration policy
                -Confrontation with courts
                      -Compared with low profile approach
                -Austin, Texas
                      -Appeal
                -Columbia
                      -Compliance with law
                      -Speech
                      -President’s view
          -Columbia
                -Possible NAACP action
                      -HEW
                      -Possible news leak
          -Litigation against Elliot L. Richardson and J. Stanley Pottinger
                -Publicity
          -Columbia plan
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                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


     -Possible HEW response
           -Letter
                  -Standards
     -Dallas, Texas plan
     -Austin, Corpus Christi
     -Dallas plan
           -President's schedule
-Nashville
     -Mitchell's conversation with Howard H. Baker, Jr. August 12, 1971
     -Candidate for mayor
-Administration policy
-George C. Wallace
-1972 campaign
     -George S. McGovern, Eugene J. McCarthy, John V. Lindsay
-Possible constitutional amendment
     -Timing
     -Baker
           -Ehrlichman's conversation with William E. Timmons
-Wallace
-McCarthy
     -Daughter
           Music studies
-Administration policy
     -Ziegler's press briefings
     -Civil Rights Commission
     -Theodore S. Hesburgh
     -Liberals
     -Compliance with law
           -Austin case
-School districts' plans
     -Austin case
     -Changes
     -Content
           -Minimal busing
     -Administration's policy
           -Controlling bureaucracy
           -HEW
                  -Letter
                        -Morgan
     -Austin case
           -Sen. John G. Tower, John B. Connally
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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


           -South
                -Morgan

     Morgan
         -Barry M. Goldwater

Mitchell and Morgan left at 1:02 pm.

     National economy
          -Meeting
                -President's forthcoming program

     Busing
          -Lawyers' meeting in Florida
               -Morgan's schedule
                     -Justice Department's knowledge
          -Popular opinion
          -Liberal commentators
          -Austin

Ehrlichman left at 1:03 pm.

     National economy
          -Arthur F. Burns
          -Peterson
          -Paul W. McCracken
          -Connally
                -Recommendations
          -President's forthcoming meeting
                -Agenda
          -Textiles
                -Peterson's memo
                -Export rebate
                      -GATT
                      -Subsidy
                            -Export-Import [EX-Im] Bank bill
          -President's forthcoming program
                -Peterson's views
                      -Border tax, export subsidy
                -Import tax
                      -Legal opinion
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                       Tape Subject Log
                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                          Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


            -GATT
            -National security clause
            -Trading with the Enemy Act
            -Trade Act of 1962
            -GATT
-Preparation
-Import tax
      -Trade Act of 1962
      -Congress
      -Department of the Treasury
      -National security clause
      -Treasury
            -Trading with the Enemy Act
                  -Mitchell
            -GATT
            -Congress
-Wage and price freeze
      -Application
      -Follow-up
-Preparation
      -Herbert Stein
-Need for analysis
      -Intellectuals
      -Critics
-Investment tax credit
      -Possible name
            -Employment Tax Act
      -Department of the Treasury
            -Business
                  -Excise tax
-Congress
-President’s proposal
      -Budget
      -[Investment tax credit and repeal of excise tax]
      -“Moving-up” costs
-Tax exemptions
      -Popular opinion
            -Psychological effect
-Monetary policy
-Federal budget
      -Congress
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                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/06)
                                                     Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


            -Wilbur D. Mills's possible action
      -Taxes
            -Politics
                  -Wage and price freeze
                  -Job development credit
                  -Congress
                        -Amendment
                              -Mills
                              -Effect on consumers
                  -Administration action
                        -Business
                        -Tax bills
                  -Excise tax
            -Congress
            -Possible reductions
                  -Effect on budget
                  -Import tax
      -Textiles
            -Import tax
                  -GATT
      -Wage and price freeze
            -Efficacy
            -Follow-up
            -Wage and price board
-Bethlehem Steel
      -Action on prices
            -Compared to other companies
                  -Automobile industry
-President's forthcoming program
      -Preparation
            -Budget
                  -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
            -Wage and price freeze
                  -Arnold R. Weber
      -Forthcoming meeting
            -Peterson, Paul A. Volcker, Stein
            -Kenneth W. Dam
            -Ehrlichman, William L. Safire
            -Dam
            -Roles of Ehrlichman and Safire
            -Safire
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                    Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. 10/06)
                                              Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


           -Public relations
-Wage and price board
     -Burns's role
-Forthcoming meeting
     -Camp David room assignments
           -Dogwood Lodge
                -Shultz and Burns
                -Connally and Volcker
                -Shultz
                       -Burns
                -Burns and Peterson
                -Accommodations
                -Shultz
                       -Weinberger
                       -Dam
                       -Ehrlichman
           -Maple Lodge
                -Burns
                -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                -Accommodations
                -Location
                       -Aspen Lodge
                       -Laurel Lodge
-Preparation
     -Connally's views
     -Agenda
     -Peterson
           -Japan
     -Burns
           -Gold
-Purpose
     -Decision-making
-Assignments
     -Wage and price freeze
           -Shultz
                -Burns
     -Budget
           -Shultz
     -Taxes
           -Connally
     -Import tax
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 563-6 (cont.)


                             -Peterson
                                   -Connally
                                   -Shultz
                                   -Dam
                 -Gold window
                 -Wage and price freeze
                       -Purpose
                             -Psychological lift
                                   -Textiles
                 -Impact
                 -Preparation
                       -Compared to foreign policy field
                             -State Department
                             -Defense Department
                       -Headlines
                       -Politics
                             -Connally, Volcker, Stein, McCracken, Peterson
                             -Stein
                             -Burns
                                   -Monetary system
                                   -Volcker
                             -Stein
                                   -Wage and price board
                             -Public Service Employment Bill
           -Public Service Employment Bill
                 -Implementation
                       -Ehrlichman
                       -Weinberger's role
                       -Local government
                             -Spending money
           -President's forthcoming meeting
                 -Quadriad

Shultz left at 1:35 pm.

Haldeman talked with Bruce A. Kehrli at an unknown time between 1:35 pm and 1:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 563-6C]

     Camp David cabin assignments
         -Lawrence M. Higby
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                                      Tape Subject Log
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[End of telephone conversation]

     President’s schedule
          -Conversation with unknown woman
          -Forthcoming meeting

     President's speeches
          -President's forthcoming speeches
                 -Preparation
                       -Ehrlichman
                       -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Shepard's speeches
          -President's conversation with Price
          -Price
                 -Knights of Columbus
                       -Shepard's style
          -President’s note
          -National Security Council [NSC]
          -Importance
          -Preparation
                 -President's schedule
          -Importance
                 -Television
          -Religious content
                 -Knights of Columbus
          -Price

     National economy
          -President's forthcoming program
                -Preparation
                      -Forthcoming meeting
                            -Camp David
                                  -Work
                                  -Telephone calls
                      -Possible leaks
                            -Burns, Peterson
                -Timing of President's speech, August 16, 1971

     President's speeches
          -Preparation
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                -Safire
          -Style
          -Herbert G. Klein
          -Safire

     National economy
          -President's forthcoming program
                -President's speech
                      -Length
                      -Details
                -Briefings
                      -Connally
                      -Timing
                      -Announcement
                      -Length
                            -Price
                                  -1968 campaign
                      -Timing
                      -Possible press commentary
                      -Timing

Kehrli [?] talked with Haldeman at an unknown time between 1:35 pm and 1:45 pm.

[Conversation No. 563-6D]

     Room assignment at Camp David

[End of telephone conversation]

Haldeman left at 1:45 pm.