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Conversation: 534-005

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Start Date: Thursday, July 1, 1971 2:27 PM

End Date: Thursday, July 1, 1971 3:49 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Colson, Charles W.Ehrlichman, John D.Sanchez, ManoloKissinger, Henry A.Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:42:27

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:04:10

534a.mp3

534b.mp3

534c.mp3

NARA Description:

On July 1, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Charles W. Colson, John D. Ehrlichman, Manolo Sanchez, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:27 am to 11:49 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 534-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 534-5

Date: July 1, 1971
Time: 10:27 am - 11:49 am
Location: Oval Office
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The President met with H. R. ( Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's schedule
          -ACTION event
          -Issues
                -Vietnam, the Pentagon Papers
          -John D. Ehrlichman
                -Ongoing meeting                                       Conv. No. 534-3 (cont.)

Charles W. Colson entered at 10:28 am

          -Ehrlichman's meeting

     The President's schedule
          -The President's Kansas City appearance July 6, 1971
               -Nature of statement
                      -Pentagon Papers case
                      -Recommendations
                            -John A. Scali, Richard A. Moore, Ronald L. Ziegler
                                  -Effect of locale
                      -Prime time television coverage
               -Daniel Ellsberg
               -Forum, timing
                      -Ehrlichman
               -Draft of statement about the Pentagon Papers
                      -Issue of repression of the press
                            -John N. Mitchell
                      -Patrick J. Buchanan

     The Pentagon Papers case
          -Coordination of investigation
               -Officer in charge [OIC] of handling case
                     -Haldeman’s conversation with Ehrlichman
                           -Congress
                                -John J. Sparkman
                                -James D. McKevitt
                                -John H. Rousselot
                     -White House staff
                           -Need for full-time handling
                                -Tom C. Huston
                                -Haldeman
                                -Ehrlichman
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                        -Colson
                 -Moore, Ehrlichman
                        -Legal handling
                        -Mitchell
                 -Ellsberg
                        -Leaks to press
                        -Court case
                        -Colson                     Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
                        -Facts
     -The Hiss case
           -Six Crises
           -Nixon’s role
           -Harry S. Truman
           -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                 -J. Edgar Hoover
           -Comparison
                 -Press
                        -Colson
     -White House staff oversight
           -Brookings Institute break-in
           -Melvin R. Laird
     -Investigation of past administrations
           -Cuban Missile Crisis
           -Bay of Pigs
           -World War II
           -Korean War
           -Embarrassing documents
     -Rousselot
           -Need full-time assistance
                 -Initiative
           -Ehrlichman
                 -Other duties
           -Colson
     -Congressional support
           -Rousselot
           -McKevitt
           -Philip M. Crane
           -John M. Ashbrook
           -Robert J. Dole
                 -William E. Brock, III
-Press coverage
     -Colson’s views
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            -John F. Kennedy
                  -Death of Ngo Dinh Diem
      -Kennedy
            -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
-Need for coordinator
      -Haldeman, Colson, Ehrlichman
      -Richard V. Allen
      -Huston                                             Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
            -Knowledge
            -Problems with Department of Defense
            -Work with Allen
            -White House Support
      -Huston and Allen
-Need for coordinator
      -Haldeman, Colson, Ehrlichman
            -Richard V. Allen
      -Need for trustworthy individual
            -Tom C. Huston
      -Possibility of Huston and Allen working together
-The President's Kansas City speech
      -Haldeman
      -Press
-Public perceptions of issue
-Lyndon B. Johnson
      -William S. White
      -Possible statement after Supreme Court decision
-Dean Rusk's television appearance
-Maxwell Taylor's television appearance
-William B. Macomber, Jr's television appearance
      -William P. Rogers
      -Melvin R. Laird
      -Martin S. Hayden
      -Classification
      -Telephone call to Macomber
            -Flag incident
-Call to Rogers
      -Forthcoming testimony
-Rusk, Taylor
-Rogers
-Legal obligations of the government
      -Court case
      -Supreme Court decision
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                      -Court clerks
                      -Chief Justice Warren E. Burger's decision
                      -Newspaper obligations
                      -Irreparable damage to the nation
          -Press attitude
               -Damaging effect of stories contrasted with First Amendment rights
                      -Delay in Prisoners of War [POWs] return as price of publication
                      -Hayden's comments                                Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
                            -Quote about Stewart J. Alsop from past editorial in New York Times
                                 -Max Frankel's response
          -Possible meeting with Ehrlichman
               -The President's schedule
                      -Haldeman, Colson, Ehrlichman

[Haldeman talked with Ehrlichman at an unknown time between 10:28 am and 10:58 am]

[Conversation No. 534-5A]

     Meeting in the President's office

[End of telephone conversation]

     The Vietnam War
          -Television debate between John O'Neill and John F. Kerry on the "Dick Cavett
                Show"
          -Jack F. Kemp
          -Buchanan
          -Kemp
                -Vietnam, fact finding trip
                -[Forename unknown] Kramer [NSC], William H. Sullivan [State Department],
                     [Unintelligible name]
                -White House speeches
                -Focus of material provided
                -Buchanan
          -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
                -Response by Kemp

Ehrlichman entered at 10:58 am

          -James L.Buckley's New York effort with Vietnam veterans
               -Cambodia, Vietnam
          -Kemp's possible trip to Vietnam
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                -Charles B. Rangel
                -Balance
          -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe's trip to Vietnam
                -Drug use among US soldiers in Vietnam
          -Kemp, Rangel
          -Pentagon Papers
                -Declassification response
                      -Laird                                              Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
                      -Mitchell
                      -Supreme Court decision
                      -Repression argument
                      -Damaging effect of publication
                      -First Amendment rights
                            -Effect of publication
                                  -Placing lives of US soldiers in jeopardy
                                        -Response to arguments
                                              -Letter to the editor
                -Richardson
                      -Charles M. Cooke, Jr. (?)
                            -Retention in job
                            -Cables leaked to press via Ellsberg
                                  -Ellsworth F. Bunker's cables
                                        -Tran Ngoc Chau Case
                            -Ellsberg's security clearances
                                  -Rand Corporation
                                        -Revocation of clearances
          -Brookings Institution
                -Documents
                      -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                      -Henry A. Kissinger
                -Rand Corporation
                -Ehrlichman
                -Presidents orders
                -Declassification of documents
                      -Laird
                      -Supreme Court
                      -The New York Times
                -Laird
                      -Coordination with Congress

Manolo Sanchez (?) entered at an unknown time after 10:58 am.
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     Refreshments

Sanchez (?) left an an unknown time before 11:22 am.

               -Declassification
                     -Documents published
                     -Withholding of classified information by newspapers
                           -John W. Dean, III's report                  Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
                           -Mitchell
          -Declassification
               -January 15 National Security Study Memorandum [NSSM], Declassification
                     group
                     -Korea, World War II, Cuban crisis
                           -Haig
                           -Kennedy Presidential Library
                           -Hyde Park (Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library)
                                 -Possible meeting with the President
                                 -The President's schedule
                                 -Timing of meeting
                                 -Publicity
               -Six Crises
                     -Chapter on the Hiss case
                           -The President's speech in Congress
                           -Harry S. Truman
                                 -Tom Clark
                                 -Alexander Campbell
                                 -J. Edgar Hoover
                           -Leak of story by Justice Department
                                 -Bert Andrews
                                 -Whitaker Chambers's revelation of the Pumpkin Papers
               -Cooke
                     -Richardson’s view
                     -Background
                     -Views on the Vietnam War, ceasefire, and the Chau case
                     -Ellsberg's status on "need to know"
                           -Classified cables
                           -Rand Corporation
                           -Publication of cable information in the Washington Star
                     -Possible future response
               -Declassification review group
                     -NSSM
                     -Staff director job
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                -Administration’s response
                -Hoover, Laird
                -Cooke
                      -Leak of story
                      -Richardson
                -Kissinger
                -Laird
                      -Instructions                                 Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
                -Draft statement
                      -Buchanan's work on draft
                      -Timing
                            -Perceptions of issue
                -Role of Department of Justice
                -Moore, Kissinger
                -Television show
                      -Macomber and Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson's appearances
                      -Max Frankel, Benjamin C. Bradlee
                -Timing of possible statement by the President
                -Buchanan video
                -Presidential statement
                      -Content
                -Lyndon K. ("Mort") Allin, Buchanan
                      -Work
                -Rogers
                      -Forthcoming testimony
                      -View
                -Issue of press repression
                -Conduct of the war
                      -Dean Rusk, Lyndon B. Johnson
                -Need for Congressional statements
                      -Dole, Gordon L. Allott, Paul J. Fannin
                            -Statements

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 11:22 am

     Anatoliy Dobrynin
          -Death of Soviet cosmonauts
               -The President’s message
          -Telephone call
               -The President's schedule

     Vietnam War
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           -Rogers' statement
                -Negotiations
                       -Nguyen Van Thieu's government
           -Tone of comments
                -Congress
                -South Vietnamese government

Kissinger left at 11:24 am                                         Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)

     Pentagon Papers case
          -Coordination of effort
          -Recommendations on presidential statement
               -Buchanan, Rogers, Mitchell, Laird, Moore, Scali
               -Timing, forum
               -The President's Kansas City appearance
               -The President’s San Clemente appearance
               -Press conference

     Ehrlichman's schedule
           -Senators
           -California Rural Legal Assistance [CRLA]
                 -Ronald W. Reagan
                      -Frank C. Carlucci

     Pentagon Papers Case
          -Declassification job
               -Carlucci
               -Compare to Donald H. Rumsfeld
          -Meeting to be scheduled with Ehrlichman, Haldeman, Colson, Buchanan, and Moore
               -Rogers's view
               -Buchanan's participation
                     -Memorandum
          -Administration’s position
               -Buchanan
               -Perceptions in the press of no White House comment
               -Rogers' role
                     -Former Attorney General
          -Buchanan
          -Macomber
               -Written version of television comments
               -Scali's role
          -Administration position
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               -Wording of possible speech by the President
                     -Effect
                     -Alternatives
               -Perception of covering leak
               -Revelation of Kennedy-Diem information
               -Vietnam war
                     -Lyndon B. Johnson
               -Rusk, Taylor                                      Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
          -Rogers as spokesperson
          -Charles Mc.C Mathias, Jr.
               -National Security Council [NSC] documents
               -Laird

Ehrlichman left at an unknown time before 11:49 am

          -Buchanan
                -Views on momentum and speaking out
          -Perception of Democrats in government
                -McGeorge Bundy
                -Howard K. Smith
                      -Representatives of the “establishment”
          -Hiss case analogy
                -The “establishment”
                -The President's role
                -Joseph McCarthy
          -Administration’s position
                -Need to uphold the law
                -Ziegler
                -Rogers
          -Dean Rusk
                -Forthcoming appearance
                      -Walter L. Cronkite, Jr.
                -President’s view
                -Sincerity, decency
          -[Name unintelligible]
                -Possession of documents
          -Hubert H. Humphrey's statement
                -Support of release
                      -Johnson administration's credibility
                            -Memorandums
                                 -Comparison to Arthur F. Burns
                            -White
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     -Era of permissiveness
           -Possible speech by Buchanan
           -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

Unemployment statistics
    -Scali
    -Adjustments
          -Left-wing columnists                                  Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)
                -Wall Street
                -Stock market trends
                     -John B. Connally

Pentagon Papers
     -Need for White House coordinator
          -Ehrlichman
          -Importance
          -Colson
          -Huston
          -The Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI], the Central Intelligence Agency
                [CIA] investigation
          -Defense intelligence
                -Laird
          -Huston
                -Defense Intelligence Agency [DIA]
                -Colson
                      -Ehrlichman, Haldeman
                -Strategy
          -E. Howard Hunt, Jr.
                -Outside candidate
                      -Friend of James L. Buckley
                            -CIA
                -Authorship of books
                -Conspiracy orientation
          -Huston
                -Reaction to orders not supported by him
          -Allen
          -Vernon A. Walters
                -Attitude
          -Mitchell's attitude
          -The President's expertise
          -Hunt
          -Declassification effort
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                      -Separation from conspiracy investigation
                      -Rousselot

An unknown person [Stephen B. Bull?] entered at an unknown time after 11:24 am.

     President’s schedule

The unknown person [Bull?] left at an unknown time before 11:49 am.    Conv. No. 534-5 (cont.)

     Eighteen year-old vote
          -Vietnam

Haldeman and Colson left at 11:49 am