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Start Date: Thursday, June 17, 1971 6:42 PM

End Date: Thursday, June 17, 1971 7:33 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Ziegler, Ronald L.Colson, Charles W.MacGregor, ClarkGoldwater, Barry M.White House photographerKissinger, Henry A.Sanchez, ManoloBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:06:07

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:00:04

524a.mp3

524b.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Ronald L. Ziegler, Charles W. Colson, Clark MacGregor, Barry M. Goldwater, White House photographer, Henry A. Kissinger, Manolo Sanchez, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:42 pm to 3:33 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 524-027 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 524-27

Date: June 17, 1971
Time: 2:42 pm - 3:33 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Ronald L. Ziegler.

     Pentagon Papers
          -Charles W. Colson
          -John D. Ehrlichman
          -Efforts
          -Administration counter
               -Focus on other administrations
               -Television reports
               -Lyndon B. Johnson press conference
                      -Demeanor
                      -Bryce N. Harlow effort
                      -Press coverage
                      -Tricia Nixon Cox
                      -Johnson book
          -Colson's "lines"
               -“Publication of stolen goods”
               -“Aid and comfort to enemy”
               -Justification for publication
                      -Patrick J. Buchanan
          -Use of Johnson
          -Use of William P. Rogers
               -Interference with judicial process
               -Rogers statement
                      -Buchanan
                      -Link with statement by President
               -Interference with judicial process
          -Other statements
               -Ehrlichman statement
                      -Problems
                      -Use
                            -President
                            -Rogers
               -"Breaking the law"
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                -"Aid and comfort"
                -Ehrlichman
                -Need for "bite"
                      -Buchanan

Colson entered at 2:46 pm.

                -Publication of classified material                    Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)
                     -Use of stolen goods
                -Buchanan wording of statement
                     -Publication
                     -Use as editorial
                     -Mailing
                     -Statement in Senate
                     -Congressional statements
                -Arthur O. Sulzberger
                -Declassification of World War II and Korean War information
                -Contact with New York Times reporters
                     -Penalty
                     -Recognition at press conference
                -Scope of attack on Times
                -Legal situation
                     -Ehrlichman
                     -Grand jury
                     -Restraining order
                           -Status
                           -Options
                     -Judge's background
                     -Administration’s possible action
                     -Effect on Times
                     -Daniel Ellsberg case
                           -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] action
                                 -Arrest
                                 -Questioning
                           -Background
                     -[Elizabeth] Bentley investigations
                           -Problems
                           -Nathan Silvermaster
                           -John Abt
                           -Victor Perlo
                           -[Forename unknown] Goldberg
                           -Whittaker Chambers
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                       -Alger Hiss
                       -Hiss background
                -Morton H. Halperin background
                -Leslie H. Gelb background
     -Security efforts
          -Melvin R. Laird
          -Rogers
          -White House                                          Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)
          -Henry A. Kissinger's role
                -Recent Times publication
                       -National Security Council [NSC] paper
                       -Algeria paper
                       -Vietnam paper
                             -Source
                -Haldeman and Kissinger’s Florida discussion

Drug statement
     -Media play
           -"Public enemy" lead
           -Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe's role
                 -Question and answer ability
                 -Leadership comment
                 -Background information
                       -President's expectation
                             -Focus of drug efforts
     -Allen J. Ellender point
           -Ehrlichman
           -Consolidation of drug programs
                 -Personnel
                       -George P. Shultz
                       -Arnold R. Weber
                       -Report to President
                 -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] role
                 -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
                 -Reduction of inefficient personnel
                       -Haldeman and Shultz contact
           -Use of "coordination" term
     -State of drug fighting programs
           -Personnel changes
                 -White House control

Pentagon Papers
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          -Potential Barry M. Goldwater role
               -Rationale
                      -Justification of criticism of Johnson
               -Effect of story on President
                      -Color of statement
                            -"Aid and comfort to the enemy”
                            -”Stolen goods”
               -Comments on Johnson                                  Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)

Haldeman, Ziegler, and Colson left at 3:04 pm.

Clark MacGregor and Barry M. Goldwater entered at 3:04 pm; the White House photographer
was present at the beginning of meeting.
     Greetings

     Congressional action
         -Secretary of Defense housing report
               -Cloture movement
                     -John C. Stennis
                     -Goldwater history
                          -William Proxmire's role
                                -Supersonic Transport [SST]
         -President’s view
               -Enemies of U.S.
               -Efforts

     SST and the aircraft industry
          -Congressional action
                -Paris air show
          -Alternatives
                -US-German cooperation
                      -Willy Brandt
                            -Potential Northrup deal

[The president talked with Henry A. Kissinger at an unknown time after 3:04 pm]

[Conversation No. 524-27a]

     Brandt purchase of Northrup fighter
          -Money involved
               -Impact on California
          -SST possibilities
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           -D. Kenneth Rush

[End of telephone conversation]

     Aircraft development
          -German and French cooperation
                -Airbus role
                                                               Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)
     SST
           -US and German cooperation
           -SST cancellation
           -US and German cooperation
                 -Quality of US plane
           -French air show
                 -US position
                 -Goldwater recollections
                      -Contacts with US businessmen
           -William M. Allen statement on Boeing
                 -Allen reception of Collier award
                      -Contact with Ed Ewell

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:04 pm.

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 3:33 pm.

     SST
           -Boeing Vice President's statement
                -Resources necessary to reopen assembly line
           -General Electric decision
                -Action on engine
                      -Payment
           -Goldwater visit to "Concorde" factory
                -Willard F. Rockwell Jr. efforts
                      -Engine procurement
                            -Garret Corporation (?)
           -French technology
           -US technological position
           -Goldwater questions to Soviet engineer
                -[Unintelligible name] report
                -Proxmire
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      -US technological position
           -Life magazine story
           -Media statement by President
                 -Perception of common man
           -Benefits of depression
                 -Goldwater’s experiences

William A. Anders                                              Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)
     -Future
          -Problems with bureaucrats
     -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
          -Personnel moves
                -Frederic V. Malek's role
                -National Aeronautic and Space Administration [NASA] position
     -Paper on aircraft industry
          -Comment to Goldwater
     -MacGregor's role
     -Domestic Council

SST
      -President's effort
      -Goldwater's effort
      -Stennis’ effort
            -Money fights
            -Armed Forces subcommittee
      -Soviet SST
            -Photographs
            -Compared to French aircraft
      -European view of US action
            -Goldwater’s recollections

Congress
    -Popular reaction
    -Recess
    -Draft resolution
         -Status
         -Prospects of action

Election
      -President's prospects
      -Vietnam situation
            -Prospects for negotiations
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           -Status as an issue
           -New York Times articles

Pentagon Papers
     -Effect on administration
     -Effect on Republican party
     -College audiences' interest in Vietnam
                                                               Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)
Economy
    -Stock market performance
    -Construction situation
         -California
               -Tax break
    -Employment
    -General economic improvement
         -Inventories
         -Construction
         -Wages
         -Unemployment
    -Employment
         -Age factors
         -California problems
               -Relationship to air industry
         -Pacific Northwest
         -Wichita, Kansas

Goldwater's efforts
    -SST
    -Defense

International affairs
      -Soviet Union and US Anti-ballistic missile [ABM] agreement
            -Need for offensive agreement
                  -Scope
      -Berlin Agreement
            -Bargaining
      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
            -Sino-Soviet relations
            -Taiwan, Republic of China friendship with US
            -US strategy
            -PRC
                  -US national interest
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                           -Future relations with Soviet Union and PRC
          -Grain sales
               -American bottoms
               -Benefits for the American farmer
               -Soviet Union and PRC
          -Perception of President's stance on Communism
               -PRC
               -Trade                                               Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)
               -Exchange with PRC
                     -Ping Pong
          -World War III potential matchups
               -Goldwater’s view
          -Revival of US-Chinese friendship
          -Japanese revival
               -President’s view
                     -Economy
                     -Military
               -Economic potential
                     -Size
                     -Arable land
          -German situation
               -Mark problems
               -Socialism
                     -Willy Brandt

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:04 pm.

     Schedule
          -National Security Council [NSC] meeting

Bull left at an unknown time before 3:33 pm.

     Defense
          -Message from Goldwater to NSC
          -NSC efforts
          -Goldwater's role
               -Vietnam
                    -Negotiation prospects
                           -Need for secrecy
                           -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                    -Survival of Vietnam
          -Role of war in 1972 election
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           -Democrat action
                 -Rationale
           -Letter from Dean Rusk to Goldwater
                 -War powers of President
                      -Dean G. Acheson
                      -Lyndon B. Johnson Library opening
                      -Alteration
                            -Constitutionality                   Conv. No. 524-27 (cont.)
           -Richard (“Dick”) Wilson column
                      -Media coverage

Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:04 pm.

     President's schedule

Goldwater, MacGregor, and Bull left at 3:33 pm.