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Conversation: 490-002

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Start Date: Thursday, April 29, 1971 4:04 PM

End Date: Thursday, April 29, 1971 4:42 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Raulinaitis, Valerija B.Hampton, Robert E.Franklin, Barbara H.Keller, Vickie L.Spain, Jayne B.Payton, SallyanneMalek, Frederic V.Bull, Stephen B.White House photographerZiegler, Ronald L.Cox, Tricia Nixon[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:00:48

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:30:30

NARA Description:

On April 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Valerija B. Raulinaitis, Robert E. Hampton, Barbara H. Franklin, Vickie L. Keller, Jayne B. Spain, Sallyanne Payton, Frederic V. Malek, Stephen B. Bull, White House photographer, Ronald L. Ziegler, Tricia Nixon Cox, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:04 pm to 12:42 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 490-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 490-2

Date: April 29, 1971
Time: 12:04 pm - 12:42 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Valerija B. Raulinaitis, Robert E. Hampton, Barbara H. Franklin, Vicki
L. Keller, Jayne B. Spain, Sallyanne Payton, Frederic V. Malek, and Stephen B. Bull; the White
House photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Introductions

     [General conversation]

           -Spain’s education
                -University of California, Berkeley

     Photo session
          -Location
          -Unknown Prime Minister

     [Camera noise]
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          -Secretary of Defense
               -Melvin R. Laird
          -Congress
          -Spain's background
               -Civil Service Commission

     [Camera noise]
                                                                         Conv. No. 490-2 (cont.)
     [General conversation]

          -Movies
              -“Love Story”

Bull and members of the press left at an unknown time before 12:23 pm.

          -President's forthcoming press conference
          -California

     Tricia Nixon
           -Look magazine

     President's schedule
          -Trip to California
                 -Photos
          -Look magazine
                 -Photographer
                       -Cotter [Howell Conant]
                       -National Broadcasting System [NBC]
          -California
                 -Atomic reactor
                 -Sea life
                       -Crabs
                       -Fish
                             -Catalina sand dab
                             -Grunion
                             -Tuna
                             -Florida Fighting Fish
                                   -Red snapper
                                   -Dollar [?]
                             -Yellowtail
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                          -Filet
                    -Catholics
                    -Catalina sand dab
                    -Fresh water
               -Press corps

Administration appointments
    -Women                                               Conv. No. 490-2 (cont.)
          -Viewpoint
    -White House staff
          -Robert J. Brown
    -Views
    -Concerns
    -Assistant Secretary of Navy
          -James E. Johnson
                -Minorities
                -Views
    -Women
          -Role
          -Women's liberation
          -Advantages over men
                -Swearing
          -Qualities
                -Sensitivity
                -Intuition
          -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
          -Reaction to events
          -Pragmatism
          -Emotionalism
          -Pressure
                -Men
          -Idealism
          -Young people
                -Idealism
          -New appointees’ possible role
                -Speaking up
          -Money
          -Professionalism
                -Clothes
                -Materialism
                -Interest in work
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Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:04 pm.
      President’s schedule

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:23 pm.

     Spain's schedule
          -Upcoming speech in Chicago, April 30, 1971
                -Investors of America                          Conv. No. 490-2 (cont.)
                -Attendees
                -Equal opportunity
                -Role of woman

     Equal opportunity
          -Women
               -Jobs
               -Song, “Why Can’t a Woman Be a Like a Man?”
               -Treatment
                     -Respect
                     -Special qualifications
               -Intelligence
               -Creativity
               -Reaction
               -Discrimination
               -Women's liberation movement
               -Treatment

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 12:23 pm.

     Administration appointments
         -Women
               -Responsibilities
               -Talent search
         -Spain's upcoming speech in Chicago
         -Unemployment
               -Economy
         -Recent study
         -Education
               -“Exceptional class”
                     -”Genius class”
                     -Minorities and women
                          -Use by nation
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      Presentation of gifts
           -Presidential seal
           -Women
                 -Paper weights
           -Bow pins

      Hampton's performance
                                                                   Conv. No. 490-2 (cont.)
Raulinaitis, et al., left at 12:29 pm.

      Look magazine
           -Pictures
                 -Conant
           -Cover photograph
                 -Tricia Nixon

Stephen B. Bull entered at 12:30 pm.

            -Tricia Nixon's schedule

Tricia Nixon entered and Bull left at 12:30 pm.

            -Cover photograph
                  -California
                  -Deadline
            -Timing
            -Picture
            -The President’s schedule
                  -April 30, 1971
                  -California trip
                  -April 30, 1971
            -Photographer
                  -Conant
                  -Location
            -President's schedule
                  -Meeting

Ziegler left at 12:33 pm.

            -Pictures
            -Trip to California
            -Ziegler
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           -Pictures
           -Press photos
                 -Carl M. Yastrzemski
                 -Award

[The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:33 pm and 12:42
pm]
                                                                     Conv. No. 490-2 (cont.)
[Conversation No. 490-2A]

     William P. Rogers
          -United Nations [UN]
          -Memorandum
                -State Department
                -George H.W. Bush

     Vietnam
          -Developments
          -Negotiations
          -Withdrawal deadline

Ziegler entered at an unknown time after 12:33 pm.

     President's schedule
          -Photos with Tricia Nixon

The President, Tricia Nixon, and Ziegler left at 12:42 pm.