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Start Date: Friday, April 23, 1971 6:17 PM

End Date: Friday, April 23, 1971 6:51 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")White House operatorRainwater, Herbert R. (Chief)

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:19:01

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:51:53

487-019.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, and Chief Herbert R. Rainwater met in the Oval Office of the White House from 1:17 pm to 1:51 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 487-019 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 487-19

Date: April 23, 1971
Time: 1:17 pm - 1:51 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     Haldeman's conversation with William P. Rogers
          -Rogers' press conference
                -President's People's Republic of China [PRC] initiative
                -Vietnam
                      -Press reaction
          -John A. Volpe
                -Possible ambassadorship to Italy
                      -Roger’s view
                      -Henry A. Kissinger’s view
                            -Haldeman’s response
                            -Forthcoming Italian election
          -Clifford M. Hardin
                -Purdue Presidency
                -Rogers' possible conversation with John C. Whitaker
                -Hardin's conversation with Rogers
                -Possible attacks
                -Rogers' possible conversation with Hardin
                -President's possible position

     Refreshments

     Haldeman’s conversation with Rogers
          -PRC initiative
               -Press release
          -United Nations staff [UN]
               -Reorganization
               -George H.W. Bush
               -Symbolism
               -Bush
               -Rogers

     Haldeman's conversation with John B. Connally
          -Turkey
               -Drug interdiction
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                     -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan’s plan
                          -Control
                          -Acreage

     Youth Conference
         -Motion
              -Capitalist system
              -Task forces                                         Conv. No. 487-19 (cont.)


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     GREAT BRITAIN


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     Volpe
          -Reassignment

The White House operator talked with the President at an unknown time between 1:14 pm and
1:32 pm.

[Conversation No. 487-19A ]

[See Conversation No. 2-36 ]

[End of telephone conversation]

          -Ambassador
              -Italy
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[Transcript #1: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     PRC initiative                                                    Conv. No. 487-19 (cont.)
         -Intellectuals
         -Congress

     Welfare mothers
          -William L. Safire's view
          -Work
          -Votes for President

     Polls
             -PRC initiative
                  -Administration constiuency
                  -President's position
                  -Distribution
                        -Kissinger
                        -John A. Scali
                        -Patrick J. Buchanan
                        -Ronald L. Ziegler
             -Soviet Union
                  -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                  -Possible effects
             -PRC
                  -Ping-pong team
                  -President's stance

     Media
         -Television

     Vietnam
          -Issue
          -Administration support
                -Effect of mass media
          -Demonstrations
          -President's television appearances
          -Polls
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     Polls
             -Vietnam
                  -Approval and disapproval rating
                  -Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.
             -Approval and disapproval rating
                  -Shift
                  -President's speech, April 7, 1971                   Conv. No. 487-19 (cont.)
                  -President's performance
                  -Percentages
                  -Economy
                  -PRC
                  -Vietnam

[Transcript #2: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

             -Louis Harris poll
                  -Charles W. Colson
                       -Figures
             -Approval and disapproval rating
                  -Figures

[Transcript #3: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

             -Vietnam
                  -Percentages
                  -Possible administration initiatives
                       -Possible effect
                  -Administration efforts
                       -Connally's view
             -Laos operation (Lam Son)
                  -Effect
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                -Press coverage
          -Calley
                -Administration actions
          -President's speech, April 7, 1971
          -Approval and disapproval rating
          -Laos operation (Lam Son)
                -Effect
          -Vietnam                                                  Conv. No. 487-19 (cont.)
                -Significance
                -Negative impact
          -Cambodia
          -Approval and disapproval rating
          -Erosion of Administration support
          -President's speeches
          -Press conferences
                -Possible effects
          -Disapproval rating
                -November 1970-January 1971
                      -Percentages

The President talked with Herbert R. Rainwater between 1:32 pm and 1:37 pm.

[Conversation No. 487-19B]

[See Conversation No. 2-37]

[End of telephone conversation]

          -Public relations approach
               -Cabinet
               -Administration spokesmen and surrogate speakers
                      -Revenue sharing
                      -President’s policies
                      -Success
               -Media
          -Possible administration initiatives
               -Cabinet
          -Media
               -Effect
          -Vietnam
               -Cabinet
          -Approval and disapproval rating
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                 -Percentages
                       -Effect of events
           -Public relations efforts
           -Calley
                 -Effect on polls
           -Haldeman’s view
           -Peace
           -Economy                                                    Conv. No. 487-19 (cont.)
           -Connally's views
           -Need for optimism
           -Economy
                 -Consumer attitudes

[Transcript #4: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]


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     Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
         -Television appearance, April 22, 1971
              -Hubert H. Humphrey
              -Compared with President’s television appearances
                    -Differences
                          -Effect

     Television ratings
          -Numbers
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             -Administration standing
             -Philip A. Hart and Margaret Chase Smith
             -Equal time
             -American Broadcasting Corporation [ABC]
             -Time

     The President's schedule
          -Press conference                                            Conv. No. 487-19 (cont.)
          -Press
          -Press conference
               -Administration strategy
               -Subjects
               -Advantages for President
                      -Tony Ramsey
                      -President's meeting with editors
                      -Timing
                      -Advantages for President

[Transcript #5: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

                        -Supreme Court decision on school desegregation

     Supreme Court decision on school desegregation
          -Effect on administration
          -Raymond K. Price, Jr. analysis
          -Effect on administration
          -Price's view
          -De jure desegregation
          -Racial balance
          -Exceptions
          -Review

     Polls
             -Results
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                             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 9/08)



[Transcript #6: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums,
et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

           -PRC initiative                                             Conv. No. 487-19 (cont.)

The President and Haldeman left at 1:51 pm.