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Start Date: Thursday, April 22, 1971 8:41 PM

End Date: Thursday, April 22, 1971 9:35 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Rogers, William P.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Sanchez, ManoloBull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:33:30

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:27:13

486-007.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, William P. Rogers, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:41 pm to 4:35 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 486-007 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 486-7

Date: April 22, 1971
Time: 3:41 pm - 4:35 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with William P. Rogers and H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
[This recording began at an unknown time while the meeting was in progress]

     The People's Republic of China [PRC]
          -US and PRC relations
          -Consultation with US allies
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 3m 37s ]
                                                              Conv. No. 486-5 (cont.)
     UNITED KINGDOM AND PRC

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
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[Duration: 17s ]


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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:41 pm

Sanchez Left at an unknown time before 4:35 pm

     Israel
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[Personal]
[Duration: 18s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8                                             Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)

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    Middle East
        -Israel
              -Administration's position
                  -General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
                  -Henry A. Kissinger
                  -John N. Mitchell
                        -Meeting with the President, April 21, 1971
                  -Possibility of war
                  -President's position
                        -1967 Situation
                  -Possible US reaction
                        -Military assistance
                        -Ceasefire
                  -Rogers's possible initiatives
                  -Mitchell's view
                  -Rogers's Jewish acquaintances
                  -Press accounts
                  -US concerns
                  -Military assistance
                  -Rogers's possible conversation with Israeli leaders
                        -Golda Meir
                        -American Jewish Community
                  -US policy
                        -Balance of power

         -Egypt
               -Message to Anwar el-Sadat
               -Lebanon
                     -Beirut
               -President’s talk with Rogers
         -Israel
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      -Domestic situation
      -Union of Soviet Socialist Republic [USSR]
      -Israeli policy
      -USSR
      -Possibility of war
      -Egypt
            -Concerns
            -Military strength                           Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
-Egypt
      -USSR military assistance
      -Defenses
      -Egyptian missile capacity
            -Surface-to-air Missiles [SAMs]
      -Tourism
      -Oil
            -Discovery
-Israel
      -Assessment of Egyptian policy
            -Sadat
      -Policy regarding US
            -Concessions
      -US elections
      -Rogers's conversation with Yigal Allon
            -Unknown Israeli editor
      -Position
-US policy
      -Peace agreement
            -Israel and Egypt
            -Time table
            -Goal
            -Israel
                  -Meir
                  -Negotiations
            -Goal
      -Israel
            -Suez Canal proposal
      -Egypt
            -Sadat's message to Rogers, April 22, 1971
                  -Clarence C. Ferguson, Jr.
            -Suez Canal proposal
      -US strategy
            -Suez Canal
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                    -Role
                    -Diplomacy
              -Negotiations
              -US aims
                    -Role
                    -Risks
              -Rogers's upcoming trip
              -Arabs                                                Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
              -Israel
              -Rogers's Trip
                    -Goal
                    -Israel

    Rogers’ schedule
        -London
              -Southeast Asia Treaty Organization [SEATO] meeting
        -Paris
              -Maurice Schumann
        -Ankara
              -Central Treaty Organization (CENTO) Meeting
              -South Vietnamese Foreign Minister
              -Pakistan
        -Saudi Arabia
              -King Faisal


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[National Security]
[Duration: 6s ]

    SAUDI ARABIA


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              -King Faisal
                   -Meeting with the President in 1960's
                         -Waldorf Towers
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                   -Relations with US
              -Riyadh
                   -Description
         -Jordan
              -Amman


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                                                           Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
[National Security]
[Duration: 5s ]

    JORDAN


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         -Lebanon
              -Internal Conditions


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
[National Security]
[Duration: 20s ]

    LEBANON AND JORDAN


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         -Egypt
         -Israel
               -Social Engagements
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         -Suez
         -Aswan
                -Dam
                      -Construction
                -President's 1963 Visit
                -Egyptian relations with US
         -Italy
                -Rome                                          Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
                      -Aldo Moro
                -Pope Paul VI


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
[National Security]
[Duration: 38s ]

    THE VATICAN

END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10

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                     -Schedule

    Israeli and Egyptian conflict
          -Possible US stance regarding Israel
          -Negotiations
                -Meir
                     -Egypt
                     -Possible settlement
                -Egyptian proposals
                -Suez
                     -Israeli position
          -Rogers's conversation with Allon
                -Proposals
                -Withdrawal from Suez
                -Observer force
                -Peace-keeping Force
                     -Egyptian and Israeli participation
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           -Israeli tactics
     -Possibility of war
     -Military assistance
           -USSR
                 -Mig's
           -US
                 -Artillery
                        -SAM’s                            Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
     -Israeli objectives
           -Suez
           -Golan Heights
           -War
     -USSR
           -Policy
           -Military assistance
                 -Egypt
                        -SAM's
                        -Concerns
                              -Aswar Dem
                        -Airplanes
                              -Type
                 -Objectives
                        -Defense
                        -Status Quo
           -Arabs
     -Negotiations
           -Egyptian proposals
                 -Suez
                 -Straits
           -Israeli Stance
                 -Strategy
           -Possible Solution

Rogers' upcoming trip to the Middle East
    -Memoranda for the President
           -Israel and Egypt
           -Jordan
           -Lebanon and Saudi Arabia
           -Joseph J. Sisco
           -Briefings for Ronald L. Ziegler
                 -Press
    -Israeli Reaction
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     -Israel
           -Road to Tel Aviv and Jerusalem
                -Tanks
                     -1945 War
           -Food

The President's previous visit to Israel
     -Tel Aviv                                             Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
          -Charles G. ("Bebe") Rebozo
          -Tel Aviv Hilton
          -Rebozo's Activities
          -Food

Israeli and Egyptian conflict
      -Yitzhak Rabin
            -US position
      -Rabin and Allon
      -Suez Negotiations
            -Israeli proposals
                  -Meir
      -Unknown Israeli editor's view regarding elections
      -Possible Israeli elections
      -President's position
            -Need for agreement
      -Support for Israel in US
            -Polls
            -Public opinion
            -Financial backing
      -US elections
            -President's possible activities
                  -Unknown journalist
                  -James B. (“Scotty”) Reston
                  -Democrat candidate
                  -Support for Israel
      -Rogers's possible initiatives
      -UN
            -Security Council
                  -Meeting
                  -Resolution on Israel
                  -Egypt
                  -Israel
                  -US position
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                -General Assembly
                     -Vote on Israel
                           -Prospects
                           -Ethiopia
                           -Congo
                     -Israel's position
                     -US position
     Turkey                                                           Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
          -John B. Connally conversations with State Department officials

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:41 pm

     The President's schedule
          -Medal of Honor awards ceremony

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:35 pm

     Medal of Honor awards
         -Posthumous awards
         -Lyndon B. Johnson
               -Number

     The President's meeting with Charles B. Rangel
          -Harlem
          -Adam Clayton Powell
          -Heroin
               -Entrance into US
               -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan

     Turkey
          -President's previous conversation with Connally
          -Government
          -Heroin
                -Production
                -US position
                -Growth
          -Rogers's forthcoming trip
          -US aid
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Heroin
     -Problems
          -Turkey’s farmers
          -Political considerations
     -Drug problem in US
          -Rangel
     -US aid to Turkey
          -Link to production                             Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
     -Rogers' forthcoming trip
          -US position
          -Impact in US
          -Crop
     -Analysis of problem
          -Farmers
          -Licensing authority
          -Medicine
          -Value to farmers
          -Moynihan's view
                -Possible purchase of crop
          -Codeine
          -Possible US strategy
          -Regulation
          -Publicity
                -Timing
          -Sensitivity
     -Rogers' conversation with Connally

New Jersey
    -Congressman
    -William T. Cahill
    -Senate
    -Nelson G. Gross

Gross
     -Harrison A. Williams, Jr.
     -Possible position with administration
          -Drug problem
     -James A. Rhodes
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    Rhodes
        -Qualifications
        -Compared with gross
        -Possible position within administration

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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3                                    Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 20s ]


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    Rhodes
        -Possible position within administration
        -Compared with Gross
        -Possible position
             -Drug problem
             -Special assistant
        -“Crusader”
        -Gross


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 54s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4

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    Rogers' schedule, April 23, 1971
        -Press conference
               -Possible questions
               -Laos
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               -Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
                     -Report
               -Optimism
          -Vietnam
               -Outlook

PRC initiative
    -Unity in administration                             Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
    -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
           -President's Conversation with Haldeman
    -Haldeman's possible conversation with Agnew
           -Bryce N. Harlow
    -Agnew's remarks
           -National Security Council [NSC]
    -Trade and travel restrictions
    -Ping pong team
    -UN representation issue
           -US tactics
           -Agnew
    -Agnew's meeting with press
           -Impact on President
    -Media reaction
           -Use of Agnew as Machiavellian play
    -State Department
    -John A. Scali
           -Role
    -President's meeting with Graham B. Steenhoven
    -Exchange Visits
    -President's forthcoming trip to PRC
    -Scali's role
    -Press
           -Nikita S. Khrushchev
           -Steenhoven

Steenhoven
     -Visit to PRC
     -Meeting with the President
     -Press conference
     -Employment with Chrysler
     -Age
     -Appearance
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[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from
December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v. James M.
Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration produced this
transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:41 pm                          Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)

     The President's schedule
          -Medal of Honor ceremony
               -Congressional invitees
                      -Philip M. Crane
                      -Harold R. Collier
                      -Joseph E. Karth

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:35 pm
      Rogers's forthcoming trip
             -Robert A. Taft, Jr's view

     Rogers's schedule, April 23, 1971
         -Press conference
                -Possible question
                -Paris negotiations
                      -Prospects
                      -Vietnam
                      -Withdrawal rate

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming welcome to First Marine Division at Camp Pendleton, California, April
               30, 1971

     Rogers's trip to Mideast
         -Israel
                 -Food
                 -Rebozo's remarks
                      -Women
                 -People
                      -Age
                      -Youth
                 -Golan Heights
                 -Rogers's conversation with Yitzhak Rabin
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                      -Egypt
                -Israelis
                      -Compared with American Jews
                      -Rabin
                -Tel Aviv
                -Youth
                -Tradition
                                                                 Conv. No. 486-7 (cont.)
The President, Rogers, and Haldeman left at 4:35 pm