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Start Date: Monday, April 12, 1971 7:30 PM

End Date: Monday, April 12, 1971 8:37 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Peterson, Peter G.Bull, Stephen B.[Unknown person(s)]Shultz, George P.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:39:39

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:40:07

477-010.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Peter G. Peterson, Stephen B. Bull, unknown person(s), and George P. Shultz met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:30 pm to 3:37 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 477-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 477-10

Date: April 12, 1971
Time: 2:30 pm - 3:37 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                                                                     Conv. No. 477-9 (cont.)
     President’s schedule
          -Meeting with Maurice H. Stans
          -John N. Mitchell
          -Stans
                -Schedule
          -Mitchell
                -Schedule
          -Stans
                -Schedule
          -Peter G. Peterson
                -Relationship with Stans

     Polls
             -President’s speech on Southeast Asia, April 7, 1971
             -Viewers/non-viewers
                   -Difference in attitudes

     President’s use of media
          -Television
          -Message
          -Television
                -Scheduling
          -President’s interview with American Society of Newspaper Editors [ASNE], April
                16, 1971
          -Radio
          -Reporters
                -Possible schedule
          -Press conference, April 29, 1971
                -White House photographers dinner
          -Scheduling
          -Television appearances
                -Frequency
          -Oval Office press conference
          -Frequency of press conferences
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     -Options
     -Schedule
     -Evenings prior to press conferences
     -Correspondents’ dinner
     -Photographers’ dinner
     -Friday evenings

Demonstrations                                                Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
    -Plans of demonstrators
    -Dates
         -April 24, 1971
    -Possible vandalism
    -Disruptions
         -Dates
               -April 25 through May 5, 1971
         -Plans
               -Blocking bridges and traffic
               -Sit-ins
               -Interference with unknown employees
               -Telephone systems
               -Radio
                     -Hanoi
                           -Announcement of insurrection and martial law in Washington
               -Cutting power sources in Washington
               -Rock Creek Park
                     -Campsite
                     -Federal troops
    -Campus support
    -Groups
         -National Coalition Against the War
         -People’s Coalition for Peace and Justice
         -Communists

President’s schedule
     -Press conference, April 30, 1971
           -Anniversary of Cambodia speech, April 30, 1970
     -Florida
     -Press conference
     -Voluntary action meeting
     -Cabinet meeting
           -Rescheduling
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         -Preparation
               -Oval Office press conference
               -Press conference
                    -Television
         -Reviewers
         -Editors
               -Frank van der Linden
               -Allen S. Drury                                Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
               -Victor Lasky
         -Stories
         -Press conference
               -Scheduling
         -Florida
               -Scheduling
               -Photographers
         -Weekend
         -Camp David
               -Scheduling
         -Sequoia
         -Demonstrators
         -White House
         -Press conference
         -Cabinet meeting
         -Chamber of Commerce
         -Cabinet meeting


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    Youth
         -Richard A. Moore
         -High school juniors and seniors
         -Potential support
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          -Pliability
          -College juniors and seniors
          -Objectivity
          -Workers
          -Letters to classes
          -High school graduations
                -Radio and television broadcast
          -Voters                                               Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:30 pm

     Peterson’s arrival
          -Meeting with President

Bull left at an unknown time before 2:50 pm

     Paul W. McCracken
          -Picture
          -Inflation alert announcement
          -Schedule
                -Photo session

Peterson entered at 2:50 pm

          -Book on Vice Presidency
          -Interview with President
                -President and Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
          -Notes on Vice Presidency

     Peterson’s schedule
          -Time-Life interview
                -Remarks
                -Possible questions
                -Vietnam
                -President’s position
                -Questions on negotiations

     People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -US relations
          -Visit of ping-pong team

Haldeman left at 3:00 pm
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-Background
-Time-Life
-President’s initiatives
-State Department objections
-Relaxation of trade and travel restrictions
      -Timing
      -Henry A. Kissinger                           Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
-State Department
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
-Time-Life
-US position relative to PRC and USSR
-Bridge
-Japanese role
      -Broker
      -Eisaku Sato
      -Trade
-Modus vivendi with US
-Compared with USSR
      -Politics/philosophy
-US position
-President’s initiatives
-State Department
      -Llewellyn E. (“Tommy”) Thompson, Jr.
      -Charles E. (“Chip”) Bohlen
      -Warsaw talks
      -USSR
      -Bureaucracy
      -Kremlinologists
-Benefits
-Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
-Indira Gandhi
-Nicolae Ceausescu
-US-Soviet relations
-US policy
-Chinese/Soviet radio broadcasts
-Sino-Soviet relations
-Ping-pong team visit
      -Significance
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          -Opening
                -US strategy
                      -Timing
                -PRC suspicion
          -Isolation
                -Consequences
                -US-USSR
                -Dangers                                         Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
                -Nuclear capacity
                -Chou En-lai
                -Leadership
                -Knowledge of non-communist world
                -USSR
                -US
                -Japan
                -Isolation
                -Dangers
                -US policy
          -Trade
          -Political difficulties
          -US alliance with Taiwan
                -Korea
                -Philippines
          -Trade relaxation
          -Forthcoming announcement
          -Relaxation of trade restrictions
          -President’s initiative
          -State Department
          -Time magazine article

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 3:00 pm

     President’s schedule

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 3:11 pm

     East-West trade
          -Relationship to President’s PRC initiative
          -USSR
          -US policy
          -Yugoslavia
          -Romania
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     -Prospects
           -Relation to events
           -Timing
     -Scope
     -Difficulties
     -Time-Life
           -Peterson’s schedule
     -Review                                             Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
     -USSR
           -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
           -Berlin
     -Middle East
     -USSR
           -Trade credits
           -Negotiations
     -PRC
     -USSR

Productivity Council
     -Importance
     -US trade position
     -Engineers
     -Scientists
     -Industrial research
           -Supersonic Transport [SST]
     -Need for US excellence
     -Nuclear power
     -Administration’s position

State Department
      -William P. Rogers
      -Peterson
      -Reorganization
      -Rogers
      -George P. Shultz
      -Economics
      -Foreign Service
      -Shultz
      -Agnew
      -Rogers
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     US world position
         -Foreign policy
         -Economics
         -Nuclear parity
         -Military parity
         -Local wars
         -Nikita S. Khrushchev
         -President’s 1959 remarks                            Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
         -Vietnam
         -Economic competition
               -US
               -Western Europe
               -Japan
               -PRC
               -USSR
         -Latin America
         -Africa
         -Middle East
         -Great Power competition
         -Population
               -PRC
         -Investment
         -Trade
         -Aid package
         -National Security Council [NSC]
         -Domestic Council
         -International economic area
         -Difficulties
         -US policy
         -Strategy
         -Historians
         -Possible Time-Life cover
         -Rogers
         -John B. Connally
         -Shultz
         -Clifford M. Hardin
         -Cabinet
         -Winton M. (“Red”) Blount
         -Defense Department

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 3:00 pm
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     President’s schedule
          -Arrival of Shultz

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 3:11 pm

     US economic position
          -Peterson’s outline
                                                                 Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
Shultz entered at 3:11 pm

          -Timing
          -Bipartisanship
          -President’s experiences as congressman
          -Marshall Plan
                -Bipartisan support
          -North Altantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
          -Arthur H. Vandenberg
          -Christian A. Herter
          -Economic policy
          -Foreign policy
          -Bipartisanship
          -Labor/business
                -Isolationism
          -Economic plan
                -Shultz, Connally, and Peterson
          -President’s philosophy
          -Peterson’s Time-Life meeting
                -Schedule
          -President’s meetings with Peterson
          -President’s initiatives
          -Roy L. Ash Council
          -Intra-administration coordination
          -Progress
          -Opportunity for change in dialogue
          -Committees
                -Citizens groups
                -Composition
                      -Economists, businessmen, labor
          -National leaders
          -Committee
                -David Rockefeller
                -Andre Meyer
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          -Easterners versus Westerners
          -Patrick E. Haggerty
          -Howard C. Petersen
          -International Harvester
                -Chicago
          -William Blackie
                -Caterpillar
                -Peoria                                  Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)

Textiles
     -David M. Kennedy
           -Schedule
     -Stans
           -Schedule
     -Strategy meeting
     -Japan
           -Negotiations
     -Meeting
     -Approach
     -President’s position
     -Connally, Rogers
     -Melvin R. Laird
     -Kissinger
     -Laird
     -Stans
           -Schedule
     -Kissinger
     -Taiwan
           -Military aid
     -Korea
           -Military aid
     -Economics
     -President’s schedule
           -ASNE meeting
     -Schedule
     -State Department
     -Korea
     -Taiwan
     -Hong Kong
     -Negotiations
     -Japan
     -Background
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           -State Department views
           -Negotiations
           -State Department
           -Peterson’s possible conversation with Kissinger
           -PRC/Taiwan
           -Rogers’ trip to Latin America
           -U. Alexis Johnson
                                                                 Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
Peterson left at 3:21 pm

     Civil rights
           -Black Caucus
                 -Policy review
                       -Timing
           -Dr. Arthur A. Fletcher
                 -Ten-year program
           -Civil Rights Commission
                 -Reverend Theodore S. Hesburgh
                 -Questionnaires to departments and agencies
                 -Domestic Council and Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
                 -Discussion with departments and agencies
                 -Responses
                 -Coordination effort

     Housing
         -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD] policy
         -Review
         -Civil Rights Commission
         -Policy review
         -Forum
         -Announcement by President
         -General Services Administration [GSA]
         -Defense Department policies
               -Fair housing for personnel
         -GSA site selection criteria
               -Public access
               -Open housing for employees
               -Fair housing element
         -Administration’s policy
         -Issue
               -Degree of sensitivity
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     -GSA site selection
           -Fair housing
           -Zoning
           -Blacks
     -GSA leasing
           -Congress
     -Policy issue
     -Internal Revenue Service [IRS] building in Fresno        Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
     -Possible GSA directive
     -Issue
     -GSA criteria
     -Civil Rights Commission’s questions to GSA
     -GSA statement on policy
           -Criteria on available housing
           -Fair housing
           -Assumptions

Federal government employment
     -”Philadelphia plan”
     -Orders
     -Textile cases
     -Affirmative action plan
           -Federal government requirements
           -Minority employment
           -OMB goals
     -Civil Service Commission [CSC] policy towards agencies
           -Timetables
           -Remedial action
           -Recruiting
           -Merit system
     -Administration’s policy
           -Political considerations
           -OMB
           -Publicity
                 -Press releases
     -Demagoguery
           -Race
     -Promotions
     -Supergrades
     -”Low key”
     -CSC
     -OMB’s approach
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           -Publicity
                -Problems
                      -Race
                      -Demagoguery
           -Congress
           -OMB’s approach

     Stans’ trip                                                     Conv. No. 477-10 (cont.)
          -Europe


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Shultz left at 3:37 pm