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Start Date: Thursday, March 11, 1971 10:18 PM

End Date: Thursday, March 11, 1971 11:17 PM

Participants:

Ziegler, Ronald L.Lewine, FrancesThomas, Helen A.Conroy, Sarah BoothBeale, BettyLaHay, WauhillauCrawford, ClaireHutchinson, LouiseMcLaughlin, MaryaWells, Fay G.Sanchez, ManoloWhite House photographerBull, Stephen B.[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 04:33:53

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 05:42:44

466-015.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 11, 1971, Ronald L. Ziegler, Frances Lewine, Helen A. Thomas, Sarah Booth Conroy, Betty Beale, Wauhillau LaHay, Claire Crawford, Louise Hutchinson, Marya McLaughlin, Fay G. Wells, Manolo Sanchez, White House photographer, Stephen B. Bull, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:18 pm to 6:17 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 466-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 466-15

Date: March 11, 1971
Time: 5:18 pm - 6:17 pm
Location: Oval Office

Ronald L. Ziegler met with Frances Lewine, Helen A. Thomas, Sarah Booth Conroy, Betty
Beale, Wauhillau LaHay, Claire Crawford, Louise Hutchinson, Marya McLaughlin, and Fay G.
Wells

     [General conversation]

     Seating

The President entered at an unknown time after 5:18 pm

     Greetings

    Fire in fireplace
          -President’s previous meeting with Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] executives
                -Frank Stanton
                -Recollection of meeting with chairman of United States Information Agency
                      advisory board
          -Fireplaces in White House
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5:18 pm

     Refreshment orders

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6:17 pm

     Coffee
          -Sanchez’s ability
          -President and Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon’s preferences
          -Special blend

The White House photographer entered at an unknown time after 5:18 pm

     Photo arrangements

The photographer left at an unknown time before 6:17 pm
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Coffee
     -Mrs. Nixon’s preferences
     -Special blend and equipment

Tea
       -Americans’ ability to make tea

Diet                                                            Conv. No. 466-15 (cont.)
       -President
             -Compared with men in public life
             -Women
       -Cholesterol
             -Importance
             -Dwight D. Eisenhower’s heart attack
             -President’s doctor’s advice
                   -Eggs
       -Low-fat diet
       -President’s food preferences
             -President’s mother’s cooking
             -Mrs. Nixon’s cooking
             -Head of State dinners

Mrs. Nixon
     -Stamina
     -Weight
          -At first meeting
          -Currently
     -Dress size
          -President’s purchases in Hong Kong and Paris
     -Appearance
     -Food preferences

President
     -Food preferences
     -Today’s schedule
          -Meeting with John B. Connally and George P. Shultz
          -Williamsburg appearance
          -Lunch
                -Sanchez
                -Connally’s comment
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Mrs. Nixon
     -Appearance
     -Stamina
     -Public activities
     -Health
          -Compared with President’s
     -Schedule
          -Stamina                                           Conv. No. 466-15 (cont.)
     -Early life
          -Family
          -College
          -Effect
          -Family

Advice to youth

Mrs. Nixon
     -Influence on household
     -Influence on Julie Nixon Eisenhower and Tricia Nixon
     -Influence of early life

President
     -Goals for daughters
     -Law school experience
     -Work in library at Duke University
          -Effect
     -A quote by Mrs. Nixon
     -Family
          -Edward C. Nixon
          -President’s father and mother
     -Time with daughters

Mrs. Nixon as First Lady
     -Compared with Nixon as President
     -Interest in privacy
           -Beach at San Clemente
           -Window shopping in New York
           -[Name unintelligible]
     -Opportunities of position
           -Meeting people
                  -Receiving lines
           -Volunteer activities
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           -Trips
                -Peru
                -With President
                -1953 trip
                      -Asia
                            -Children’s homes
                            -Hospitals
           -As hostess of White House                       Conv. No. 466-15 (cont.)
                -Role
           -Travel
                -Press reports
                -Effect abroad
                -Effect of 1953 trip

Changes between 1960 and 1968
    -Wisdom of age
    -President’s time spent with Cox and J. N. Eisenhower

J. N. Eisenhower
      -Activities

Cox
      -Public events
      -CBS tour of White House
      -Campaign appearances

Daughters
    -Similarities and differences
    -Similarities to grandparents
    -Similarities to President and Mrs. Nixon

Mrs. Nixon
     -Birthday gift
     -Birthday celebration date
     -Nickname
     -Family background
     -Given name
     -Birth date
     -Father
           -Nickname for Mrs. Nixon
     -Mother’s death
     -Name
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     -Birth date, day of celebration
           -March 16, 1971 party
           -March 17, 1971 Head of State dinner
                 -Ireland
                       -Entertainment
     -Time with President
           -Camp David
                 -President’s schedule                          Conv. No. 466-15 (cont.)
                 -Bowling
                 -Walking
           -Florida and California
                 -Walking
                 -Golf
           -Camp David and Florida
                 -Family friends
           -Personal friends
                 -Roger E. Johnson
                 -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
                 -Robert H. Abplanalp
     -Consultation with President

Women’s liberation
   -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II

World leaders and wives
    -President’s State Department briefing books
          -Biographical sketches
    -Importance of wives
          -Public compared with private influence
          -Charles A. J. M. de Gaulle
                -Yvonne (Vendroux) de Gaulle’s influence on policy
    -[Anna] Eleanor Roosevelt and Franklin D. Roosevelt
          -President’s wartime experience
                -E. Roosevelt’s visit to Tontoua base in New Caledonia
                     -President’s impression
    -Lou (Henry) Hoover
          -President’s previous meeting
          -President’s membership on board of Whittier College
          -Compared with Herbert C. Hoover
    -Bess (Wallace) Truman
          -President’s previous visit with the Trumans
          -Truman piano
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         -Influence on Harry S Truman
     -Mamie G. D. Eisenhower
         -Compared with D. D. Eisenhower
         -President’s form of address of Eisenhowers
               -Formality

Family’s influence on President
     -Mrs. Nixon and daughters                                  Conv. No. 466-15 (cont.)
           -Role
           -Compared with White House staff as critics

Press influence on President
      -President’s view
      -Daniel L. Schorr story on Anti-ballistic Missile [ABM]
            -Inaccuracy
      -CBS
      -National Broadcasting Company [NBC]
      -American Broadcasting Company [ABC]
      -Schorr’s story on ABM
      -President’s attitude

Lyndon B. Johnson and John F. Kennedy and wives

Children in White House
     -Mrs. Nixon
           -Sensitivity
     -Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy [Onassis] and children’s visit to White House
           -Thomas’ story
     -Alice Roosevelt Longworth
           -President’s form of address
     -Kennedy children
           -President, Mrs. Nixon, J. N. Eisenhower, and Cox

Mrs. Nixon

Family dogs
     -King Timahoe, Pasha, Daisy
     -King
          -Sanchez
     -Limitations
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     First Ladies
           -Claudia A. (Taylor) (“Lady Bird”) Johnson
           -E. Roosevelt, L. Hoover, B. Truman, M. G. D. Eisenhower, C. A. Johnson, J. L. B.
                 Kennedy, Mrs. Nixon
           -Influence on husbands

     Y. de Gaulle
                                                                     Conv. No. 466-15 (cont.)
     C. A. Johnson
          -Beautification work

     Mrs. Nixon
          -Travels abroad
          -Volunteer activities
               -A dinner, March 18, 1971

     C. A. Johnson
          -Beautification work

     First Ladies
           -Impact on President
                -L. Hoover, E. Roosevelt, B. Truman
           -Impact on husbands
                -Role

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:18 pm

     [Unintelligible]

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:17 pm
      First Ladies
             -Influence of wives
                   -[J. L. B.?] Kennedy

     Mrs. Nixon
          -Privacy
          -Fondness for water
          -Privacy
                -Walks on beach in California
          -Appearance
                -Compared with President
          -Privacy
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                 -New York and California

     Life in White House
           -Mrs. Nixon, J. N. Eisenhower, Cox
           -President
                 -President’s view
                 -Work
                 -Needs                                               Conv. No. 466-15 (cont.)
                       -Time to read and think
                            -A recommendation to Congress
                                  -President’s trip to Williamsburg
                            -Theodore (“Teddy”) Roosevelt
                            -Time for leisure activities
                            -Congressmen and politicians

An unknown man entered at an unknown time after 5:18 pm

     President’s schedule

The unknown man left at an unknown time before 6:17 pm

     President
          -Nomination as Vice President
          -Ambitions in Congress for President
          -Response to D. D. Eisenhower’s nomination
               -Thomas E. Dewey

     Mrs. Nixon
          -Positions on issues
                -Public comments
                     -Compared with J. N. Eisenhower and Cox
                -Compared with President’s positions
                -Discussions with President

     [General conversation]

     President’s morning habits

     Refreshments

Lewine, et al. left at 6:17 pm
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