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Start Date: Thursday, March 11, 1971 9:00 PM

End Date: Thursday, March 11, 1971 9:55 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.Sanchez, ManoloZiegler, Ronald L.Bull, Stephen B.Byrnes, John W.White House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:32:29

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:25:41

466-012.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, Manolo Sanchez, Ronald L. Ziegler, Stephen B. Bull, John W. Byrnes, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:00 pm to 4:55 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 466-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 466-12

Date: March 11, 1971
Time: 4:00 pm - 4:55 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman and Henry A. Kissinger
                                                                   Conv. No. 466-11 (cont.)
     Vietnam
          -Casualty figures

     Textile trade negotiations with Japan
          -President’s message to Eisaku Sato
                 -A Message to the Japanese ambassador
                       -Timing
                 -Tone
                       -Kissinger’s draft
                       -U. Alexis Johnson’s view
                 -President’s previous letters to Sato
                 -Tone
                 -Wilbur D. Mills


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[National Security]
[Duration: 48s ]


     TEXTILE TRADE NEGOTIATIONS WITH JAPAN


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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:00 pm

     Weather
         -Effect on Kissinger’s forthcoming trip
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          -President’s possible trip to Florida
          -Camp David

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:14 pm

     Textile trade negotiations with Japan
          -John N. Mitchell’s previous conversation with President
                 -Free trade advocates                               Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
                       -George P. Shultz
                       -Peter G. Peterson
                       -State Department
                 -Kissinger’s position
                       -Mills
                             -Effect on Japanese proposal
                             -Effect on US position


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[National Security]
[Duration: 1m 9s ]


     TEXTILE TRADE NEGOTIATIONS WITH JAPAN


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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          -Sato
          -Japanese
                -Compared with British
          -Sato
          -President’s view
                -Previous policy
          -Japanese ambassador
                -Statement regarding negotiations with Peter M. Flanigan
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     Laotian operation (Lam Son)
          -Casualty figures
          -Military situation
                -Weather
                -General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.’s forthcoming trip
                      -I Corps
                -Kissinger’s conversations with Melvin R. Laird and Admiral Thomas H.
                      Moorer                                          Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
          -Laos compared Cambodia operations
                -Casualties
                -Captured weapons
                -Materiel
                      -Weapons and ammunition
                      -Transportation
          -Military action
                -President’s view
                      -Timing
                      -Duration
                            -Dangers
                -Compared with Russians, Bosnians, Austrians, and Battle of the Bulge
                      -World War II
                -Kissinger’s conversations with [Name unintelligible]
                      -A book on German Army
                      -Erich F. W. Ludendorff and [Forename unknown] Hoffman
                            -Battle of Tannenberg [St bark] [?]
                                  -[Forename unknown] Von Schwanslof
                                  -Ludendorff
                                  -Hoffman
                -Forthcoming Presidential announcement, April 7, 1971
                      -Troop withdrawals
                      -President’s view
                      -Kissinger’s view

Ronald L. Ziegler entered at 4:14 pm

     President’s schedule
          -Meeting with John W. Byrnes regarding textiles
                -Byrnes’ statement
                -Previous meeting with the President
                -Possible photograph with President
          -Forthcoming meeting with women members of the press
                -Transcript
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                         -Use of microphone
                   -Possible use of stenographer
                   -Ziegler’s possible presence
                   -Constance M. (Cornell) (“Connie”) Stuart
                   -President’s previous interview with Cyrus L. (“Cy”) Sulzberger
                   -Ziegler’s possible presence
                   -Use of microphone
                   -Transcript                                           Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
                   -Women of press
             -Williamsburg speech
                   -Publicity

Ziegler left at 4:16 pm

             -Williamsburg appearance

     Press
             -Change in attitude
                  -President’s previous press conference
                  -Laotian operation
                        -Tchepone
                  -Thomas W. Braden’s remarks

     Laos operation (Lam Son)
          -Withdrawal
               -Timing
               -Public relations
               -South Vietnamese capabilities
               -President’s view

     Vietnam
          -US efforts
               -Negotiated agreement
                      -Effect of military action
          -South Vietnamese future
          -US troop withdrawal announcement in April
          -Possible settlement
               -Public opinion
               -Effect of military action
               -Timing
          -April announcement
               -Scope of announcement
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                     -Haldeman’s view
                -Future announcements
                     -Draft
                     -Soviet summit
                     -Draftees
                           -Effect
                     -US military strength
                     -Volunteers                                     Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
                           -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II’s graduation
                                -President’s forthcoming speech

     Laotian operation (Lam Son)
          -President’s concerns
                -South Vietnamese forces
                      -Withdrawal
                      -South Vietnamese election
                            -General Nguyen Van Thieu
          -Military situation
                -Effect of weather
                      -Intelligence
                -Effect of US troops
                -North Vietnamese troop actions
                -Casualties
                -B-52 Strikes
                      -Losses
                      -Targets
                            -Weather conditions
                      -Effects
                -South Vietnamese army
                      -Kissinger’s view

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:16 pm

     President’s schedule
          -Meeting with Byrnes
                -Photographer, Ziegler

Bull left at an unknown time before 4:28 pm

     Vietnam
          -North Vietnamese military situation
               -Lyndon B. Johnson’s actions
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                     -Effect on history
                     -Nixon’s Presidency
           -US troop withdrawal
                -White House News Summary
                     -London Daily Telegraph
                           -President’s policies
                           -Peregrine Worsthorne
                                                                     Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
     President’s previous interview with Sulzberger
          -Television coverage
                -John A. Scali
          -Probability of future nuclear war
                -President’s view
                -US
                -President’s comments
          -Joseph W. Alsop’s response
          -Press response
                -Reasons
                      -New York Times
                -Dan Rather’s view
                      -President’s press conference
                      -Timing of interview
                      -Sulzberger

Byrnes and Ziegler entered at 4:28 pm; the White House photographer was present for the
conversation

     Photograph

     Congress

     Byrnes’ forthcoming statement
          -Byrnes’ previous meeting with the President
          -White House staff preparation

Byrnes and Ziegler left at 4:29 pm

     Textiles
          -Byrnes
               -Mills
                    -Republican opposition
                    -Possible Democrat opposition
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                     -Congressmen
    Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
          -Soviet Union
               -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
          -Gerard C. Smith
          -Soviet Union’s position
               -US proposal
                     -Anti-ballistic Missiles [ABM]           Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
               -Soviet Union’s offer
          -Possible US response
               -National Security Council [NSC] meeting
                     -Laird
                     -Dobrynin
          -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
               -Jackson’s position
               -Forthcoming meeting with Kissinger


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 53s ]


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    Demonstrators
        -Cambodia
        -Bombings
        -Kent State University
        -Flanigan
             -White House demonstrators

    Laos operation (:am Son)
         -Effect
              -North Vietnamese
                     -Military delays
              -Army of the Republic of South Vietnam [ARVN]
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                     -Casualties
                -Network coverage
                -North Vietnamese military situation
                -US military action
                     -Bombing

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                                                          Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[National Security]
[Duration: 2m 56s ]


     MIDDLE EAST


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     A statement on Whitney M. Young, Jr.
           -John D. Ehrlichman
           -Raymond K. Price, Jr.


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[National Security]
[Duration: 2m 26s ]


     MIDDLE EAST


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8

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Kissinger left at 4:40 pm
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President’s Williamsburg appearance
     -Press response
     -Crowds
     -Demonstrators
           -Number
           -An arrest by police
           -Need for force
     -Speech                                               Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
           -Length
                 -Pace
           -Content
           -Warren E. Burger
           -William L. Safire
           -Pace
           -Safire
           -Length
           -Delivery
           -Beginning
                 -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. reference
           -Contents
     -Tom C. Clark’s speech
     -Linwood Holton
           -Speaking style
     -President’s delivery
           -Safire
           -Pace
     -Length of President’s speech
           -Price
           -Openings
                 -Greetings
           -Speechwriters
           -Safire’s work

President’s forthcoming interview with women journalists
     -Content
           -Ziegler
           -Stuart

President’s Williamsburg appearance
     -Coverage
           -Safire
           -Ziegler
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                 -Importance
                 -Press presence
                 -Safire

    Polls
            -Charles W. Colson
            -Possible action by Haldeman regarding Louis Harris
                 -Colson                                              Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)
                 -Possible contracts


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 32s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8

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            -Release of current Harris poll
                  -Colson
                  -Timing
                        -President’s press conference
                              -Lag time
                              -Bryce N. Harlow
            -Effect of President’s November 3, 1969 speech
            -Effect of President’s previous press conference
            -Effect of Cambodian operation
            -Effect of television network criticism
            -Post-1970 election
                  -George H. Gallup poll
            -Effect of television coverage

    Vietnam
         -US troop withdrawals
              -Forthcoming announcement
                   -Timing
                         -President’s forthcoming speech to editors
              -Coverage
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                                        Tape Subject Log
                                           (rev. 9/08)



                        -Laos
                        -President’s use of charts in announcement
                              -Cambodia
                              -Laos
                              -Casualties

Haldeman left at 4:55 pm
                                                                     Conv. No. 466-12 (cont.)