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Start Date: 7-Mar-1973 4:15 PM

End Date: 7-Mar-1973 5:50 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]White House operatorSanchez, Manolo

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

418-002a.mp3

418-002b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 7, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), White House operator, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 5:50 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 418-002 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 418-2

Date: March 7, 1973
Time: Unknown between 4:15 pm and 5:50 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

       Nelson A. Rockefeller
            -Meeting with President
            -Enthusiasm
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           -Speaking abilities
                -Congressional leaders meeting [?]
           -Compared with William P. Rogers

Charles Gill
     -Employment
            -Roy L. Ash
            -Alternatives

Rose Mary Woods
     -Camp David
     -Salary
           -Raise
           -Compared with secretaries, special assistants
                 -Leonard Garment
                 -Patrick J. Buchanan
                 -Stephen B. Bull, David N. Parker
     -Raise
           -Problems
           -Compared to Haldeman

Manolo Sanchez's salary
    -Raise
    -Fina Sanchez
    -Rex W. Scouten
    -White House staff
          -Government pay
    -Hours of work
    -Raise

Prisoners of War [POWs]
      -Celebrity value
            -Reduction
      -White House reception
            -Scheduling
            -Need for time to recover
            -Scheduling
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                           -Flag Day
                           -Defense Department
               -Calls
                    -Col. Robinson Risner
                    -Capt. Jeremiah A. Denton, Jr.
               -Meetings with President

       Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]
            -Voice of Democracy contest winners
                   -Appearance
                         -Clothing
                   -White House tours
                   -Press coverage
                         -Ronald L Ziegler
                         -Wire services
                   -Appearance
                         -President’s reaction
                         -Compared with Future Farmers of America, Boy Scouts of America,
Choral Group
                         -Stephen B. Bull

       Dress
               -Secret Service agents
                     -President's opinion

       Visitors to White House
             -Dwight Chapin [?]
                   -Bull
                   President’s introduction
                         -Applause
                         -Effect
                               -Congressional members
                               -Children
                         -Bull
                         Thomas C. Korologos

       Stag dinners
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             -Invitations
                   -Republican National Committee [RNC]
                   -Republican state chairmen
                   -Cabinet
                   -Supporters of President
             -Convenience for President
             -Women attendees
                   -Compared to men

       Women
          -Number of appointees
          -Qualifications for high positions
               -Compared to Blacks, Mexican Americans
          -Women in administration
               -Performance

       Vietnam Veterans
            -Radio speech
                 -John D. Ehrlichman
                 -Compared to police officers

The President talked with Ehrlichman at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 5:50 pm.

       Rockefeller
            -Capital punishment
                   -Organized Crime
                   -Drugs
                         -Possession amount
                               -Distribution
                   -President’s speech on crime, drugs

[End of telephone conversation]

Ehrlichman talked with the President at an unknown time between 4:15 pm and 5:50 pm.

       Telephone call
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[End of telephone conversation]

       Ehrlichman

       POWs
          -Event at White House
               -Announcement
               -Timing
          -Other events
               -Sammy Davis, Jr. show
               -Vietnam Veterans
               -Armed Forces Day
               -Memorial Day
                      -Vietnam War dead
                      -Parade
                            -Television [TV] coverage
               -Radio speech
               -Naval Academy
                      -Armed Forces Day
                      -Officers
               -Memorial Day
                      -Unknown soldier
                            -Missing in action [MIA]
          -Dinner
               -Announcement
          -Event for children
               -Children at dinner
                      -Behavior
                      -Numbers
                      -Later party
                      -Tour of White House
                            -MIA
          -Meetings with President

       President's meeting with freshmen Congress members
             -Format
             -Size
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           -Location
                -Cabinet Room
                     -Reaction
                -Oval office


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      Speech [?]
           -Earl L. Butz
           -Moral theme

      Dinners for contributors
           -1972 Election

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      Evening at the White House
           -Introductions of individuals
           -Paul Keyes’ role
                  -Impresario
                  -Assistance
                        -George H. W. Bush
                        -Julie Nixon Eisenhower, Tricia Nixon Cox
                  -Show themes
                        -Irving Berlin
                               -“Broken Hearted” [?]
                        -Female performer
                        -Country
                               -“Okie from Muskogee”
                               -Patriotic music
                        -Berlin
                               -President’s introduction
                               -Orchestra medley
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                              -Fred Astaire, Ethel Merman, Harry L. (“Bing”) Crosby
                        -Finale
                              -“No Business Like Show Business”
                        -Army Chorus
                              -“God Bless America”
           -Patriotism
           -Jack Benny
                 -Supporter of President
                 -Classical music
                 -Comedy
           -Lucille Ball
                 -Appeal to children
                       -Reruns of "I Love Lucy"
     -Value
     -Compared to dinners
           -President’s experience
     -Entertainers
     -Benny
     -Davis
           -Positive publicity
                 -Washington Post
                 -Ziegler
           -Washington Post coverage
                 Donald Radcliffe

Stag dinners
      -Press coverage
            -Effect
      -Toasts
      -Advantages
      -Army Chorus
            -Songs

Evenings at White House
     -Army Chorus
           -"Road to Mandalay"
                 -Response of men
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           -Response of women
                -"Strolling Strings"

Nyugen Van Thieu's visit
    -Arrival ceremony
          -El Toro Air Base
          -President’s attendance
          -Parade
          -Crowd
          -Statements
    -Accommodations in California
          -House
                -Compared to hotel
                -La Jolla
                -San Clemente
          -Rose Mary Woods

President's schedule
      -John Ford dinner
             -Citation
             -President's appearance
             -Reception
                   -President as host
                   -Room capacity
                   -Attendees
                          -Film institute trustees
                          -Supporters of President
                   -Taft Schreiber’s opinion
                   -President's appearance at dinner
                          -Compared to John B. Connally event
             -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] taping of dinner
                   -Excerpts of Ford's films
             -Marine Corps Band
                   - Schreiber
             -Medal of Freedom
                   -Daily Variety article
             -Reception
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                  -Head table
                  -Introductions
                        -Photographs
            -Drafting schedule
            -Camp David
                  -Dinner
                  -Meetings with President
                        -Departure
                        -Ehrlichman
                        -Afternoon visits
            -International Conference on Vietnam
                  -Henry A. Kissinger and Rogers
                  -State Department lunch
                  -National Security Council [NSC] meeting
                        -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
                  -Cabinet meeting
            -Cabinet meeting
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -Peter J. Brennan
                  -Vernon E. Jordan, Jr.
                  -Budget
                  -Surrogate program
                  -Aid to Vietnam
                        -Rogers
                               -Report to President

Haldeman talked with the White House operator and Rogers at an unknown time between 4:15
pm and 5:50 pm. The President conferred with Haldeman during the call.

[Conversation No. 418-2A]

[See Conversation No. 37-61]

      President’s schedule
            -Cabinet meeting
                  -Aid to Vietnam
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[End of telephone conversation]

       Contributors
            -Congressional leaders
            -Reaction to Rogers
                  -Line in speech
                         -President's stature in other countries
            -Concerns of supporters
                  -Rogers' handling
                         -Compared to Kissinger
            -Public relations
                  -Rogers’ role

      Melvin R. Laird
            -Consultant to White House
            -Attendance at meetings
                  -Cabinet
                  -congressional leaders
            -Strategy on Congressional relations
                  -Bryce N. Harlow
            -Recruitment to White House staff
                  -Defense Department
                  -Harlow
            -Compared to Ehrlichman, Brennan [?], Peter M. Flanigan, William E. Timmons,
Korologos, Richard M. Cook
                  -Congress’s opinion
            -Need for White House staff with Congressional background
                  -Timmons’ position

       President’s schedule
             -Meeting with federal Woman’s Award recipients
                   -Press [?]
                   -Length
                   -Other meeting
                   -Value
                         -Bull
                         -Haldeman’s recommendation
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Public relations
      -Goals
             -Congress
             -Ehrlichman
             -Need to decide
      -President's image
             -World leader, peacemaker
             -Rogers
             -Preservation
             -Compared to John F. Kennedy’s administration
                   -Civil rights
                   -Bangladesh
      -President's speeches
             -Focus on big picture
                   -Compared to international monetary situation, budget
                   -People's Republic of China [PRC]
                   -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics {USSR]
                   -National spirit
      -President’s image as world leader, peacemaker
             -Compared to Dwight D. Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson
             -John Kennedy’s failures
                   -“John Kennedy’s 13 Great Mistakes in the White House”
                         -Publishing information
                         -Haldeman's copy
                                -Library book
                                -Check-outs
                                      -Frequency
                         -Publisher
                         -Malcolm Smith, Jr.
                                -Mutual Broadcasting System [MBS]
                         -Need for reprinting
                         -Haldeman's meeting with Newsweek reporter
                         -Writer's point of view
                                -Kissinger
                                -Support for President's philosophy
                                      -Nixon Doctrine
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                                   -Second Inaugural Address
                 -Chapter on Laos
                        -Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem assassination
                        -Criticism of John Kennedy
                               Press conference on Laos
                                     -Andrei A. Gromyko
                                     -W[illiam] Averell Harriman
                 -Smith
                        -Whereabouts
                 -First printing
                        -Purchase
                               -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy
      -Goals
            -Clarification
-President’s historical legacy
      -President as political innovator
            -Franklin D. Roosevelt
            -New Federalism
            -Boldness
                   -Anticommunism
                          -PRC trip
                   -Price and wage controls
            -Leadership
      -Domestic programs
            -Legacy
                   -Avoidance
            -Crime
            -Problems for President
            -New Federalism, New Majority
            -Energy, environment
                   -Public interest
                          -Oil industry
                          -CBS TV show
                   -Negative results
            -Taxes
                   -New Federalism
                   -Lack of positive credit
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                  -Value
      -Government reorganization
            -Public interest
                  -Lack
                        -White House counselors
                        -Cabinet departments
-Leadership
-Achievement of goals
      -Limitations
-Foreign Policy
      -Crises
      -Trips
            -Africa
            -Latin America
            -Europe
            -USSR
            -PRC
            -Japan
-Major issues
      -Government spending, taxes
      -Bureaucracy
      -Revenue sharing
      -New majority
      -Reestablishment of U.S. world leaderships
            -Prisoners of War [POWs]
            -US-PRC relations
      -Social issue
            -Family
            -Police department
            -Army
            -Volunteers
            -Religion
            -Patriotism
            -Self-help
            -Moral integrity
            -Sacrifice
            -Puritan work ethic
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                      -“Square America”
                            -Patrick J. Buchanan
                            -New Establishment
                            -Herman Kahn
          -Scheduling approach
     -Goals
          -1974 election
               -Scheduling approach
               -Senate, governorships
               -House of Representatives
                      -Target districts
               -Visit to localities
                      -Regional balance
               -South
                      -Mississippi
                            -John C. Stennis event
                      -New Orleans
                            -Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW)
               -Al Smith event
                      -New York
               -Iowa
                      -Herbert Hoover birthplace event
          -Focus on big issues
          -TV appearances
               -Vetoes

President's schedule
      -March, April
      -State dinners
             -Lee Kuan Yew
             -Giulio Andreotti
      -Lee Kuan Yew
             -Stag dinner
             -Wife’s attendance
             -Speech
             -Press coverage
                   -Howard K. Smith
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            -Roscoe Drummond
            -Joseph W. Alsop
      -Views on world
            -Vietnam
-Stag dinners
      -Size
      -New Establishment
            -Leaders
                   -Howard K. Smith
                   -Donald McI Kendall
            -New Labor
            -Conservative Academics
            -Texas
            -Labor, church leaders
            -Foreign policy interest
            -“Elites”
                   -Invitations
                         -Newbold (“Newby”) Noyes, Jr.
                         -Katherine L. Graham
                         -Mike Flynn, New York Daily News
                         -Adrian Lee [?], [unintelligible name]
      -Lee Kuan Yew
            -Private dinner
            -Press coverage
            -Guest list [?]
-State dinners
      -Andreotti
            -Trip to Key Biscayne
            -Congressional recess
      -Kakuei Tanaka Visit
            -Scheduling
            -Relation to trip to USSR
-Another state visit
      -Black
-VFW speech
-Trip to California
-Europe trip
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      -[Emperor of Japan] Hirohito
      -Tanaka visit
      -Mohammed Reza Pahlavi [Shah of Iran] visit to US

Public relations
      -Tour of nation
             -Value
             -Reception
                   -Influence of POWs
      -Events at White House
             -Value to President
                   -Paul Keyes
                   -Pearl M. Bailey, Willy Brandt
                   -TV
                   -Film footage
                   -Francis A. (“Frank”) Sinatra
             -Publicity of previous trips
             -Need for activity

Congressional relations
     -Objectives
           -Budget battle
           -Legislated appropriations
           -Veto overrides
           -Public pressure on Congress
                 -Surrogates
                        -Support for President
                        -Letter writing campaign
                        -Self-help
                              -President’s veto
     -Aid to North Vietnam
           -Compared to budget battle
                 -Public support
           -Rogers, Kissinger, Elliot L Richardson, George P. Shultz, William E. Simon
                 -Assistant Secretaries
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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:15 pm.

       Women

       Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
            -Marriage

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Sanchez and Haldeman left.