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Start Date: 1-Nov-1972 10:46 AM

End Date: 1-Nov-1972 11:15 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Kissinger, Henry A.Colson, Charles W.White House operator

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

379-015.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 1, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Charles W. Colson, and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 10:46 am and 11:15 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 379-015 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 379-15

Date: November 1, 1972
Time: Unknown between 10:46 am and 11:15 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President talked with Henry A. Kissinger.

       The President's forthcoming radio and television speech, “Look to the Future”

       Vietnam, negotiations
            -Status
                  -Public relations [PR]
                        -Ellsworth F. Bunker
                        -George S. McGovern [?]
                        -Right
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                               Conversation No. 379-15 (cont’d)

                              -Jay Lovestone

       The President’s forthcoming speech, “Look to the Future”
            -The President’s work with Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                  -Vietnam War
                         -Settlement agreement
                                -1972 election
                                -Progress
                                -Coalition government
            -Completion
                  -Timing
                         -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Price
                         -The President’s role
                         -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Price
                                -Kissinger’s memorandum
                  -Final draft
                         -The President’s work with Kissinger
                  -Kissinger’s health
                  -The President’s schedule
                         -Domestic policy radio speeches
                  -Vietnam War
                         -Nguyen Van Thieu
                         -William F. Buckley, Jr.

       Kissinger’s schedule
             -Dr. William O. Chase

[End of telephone conversation]

Charles W. Colson entered at an unknown time after 10:46 am.

       1972 campaign
            -Violent demonstrators
                  -Demonstrators in Boston
                       -McGovern
                             -The President's recent conversation with Patrick J. Buchanan
                                   -Public relations [PR]
                  -PR
                       -1960 campaign
                       -Press and media relations
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                                                             Conversation No. 379-15 (cont’d)

                              -Colson’s conversation with William S. Paley
                              -Double standard


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       1972 campaign
            -Chants
            -Media coverage
                   -Favoritism
                   -McGovern trailing
                   -Media support for demonstrators
            -Public sentiment
            -Polls
                   -San Fernando Valley
                         -Interviews by Oliver Quayle
                         -Middle Class
                         -Democratic leanings
                         -Results
                               -Edmund G. (“Pat”) Brown
                               -McGovern
                                     -Compared to the President
                               -1968 election
                               -Oliver Quayle
                         -Issues
                               -Opposition to McGovern
                                     -Ideology
                                     -Defense
                                     -Welfare
                                     -Taxation
                   -Boston
                         -John F. Collins

[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:46 am and
11:15 am.
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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                           Conversation No. 379-15 (cont’d)


[Conversation No. 379-15A]

[See Conversation No. 32-115]

[End of telephone conversation]

       1972 campaign
            -Demonstrators in Boston
                 -Participants
                       -Number
                       -Activities
                             -Car burnings
                 -Press coverage
                       -Boston Globe
                 -Effect on Boston
                       -Compared to San Jose incident, October 29, 1970
                       -Working class
                 -Response
                       -Clark MacGregor statement
                             -Tone
                             -Demands of McGovern
                       -John B. Connally
                             -Recent conversation with Colson
                             -Forthcoming press conference
                                   -Washington, D.C., press corps
                 -Effect
                       -McGovern


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       1972 campaign
            -Polls
                   -Point spread
                         -Question
                               -Wording
                               -Outcome
                   -Point spread
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                                                              Conversation No. 379-15 (cont’d)

                  -Independents
            -Vietnam War
                  -Impact
                  -McGovern
                  -Media strategy
                         -Networks
                         -Peace settlement
                         -“Firm hand”
                         -Cease-fire
                         -Freedom in South Vietnam
            -McGovern
                  -John B. Connally
                  -Pressure from the President’s campaign
                  -The President’s supporters
                  -Sympathy from public
                         -News summary
                  -Attacks on the President
            -Counterattack strategy
                  -McGovern’s purpose
                  -Number of attacks
                  -Radio speeches
                         -Advantages
                               -Price
                               -National and local coverage
                         -Radio, television [TV]
                  -Polls
                         -Albert E. Sindlinger
                         -Louis P. Harris
                  -Clark MacGregor
                  -The President’s allies
                  -McGovern
                         -National and local press
                         -Colson’s telephone call to Boston

[End of segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Colson talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 10:46 am and 11:15
am
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                        Conversation No. 379-15 (cont’d)


[Conversation No. 379-15B]

[See Conversation Nos. 32-116 and 32-117]

[End of telephone conversation]


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       1972 campaign
            -Hecklers in Boston
                 -Public response
                 -Irish Americans
                        -Collins
                 -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                 -McGovern
                        -Vulnerability

[End of segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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       1972 campaign in Boston
            -Hecklers
                 -Response
                       -McGovern
                       -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                             -Hecklers
                             -Mrs. Nixon
                                   -McGovern
                             -Car burnings
                       -Press and media relations
                 -Hugh W. Sloan, Jr.
                       -Watergate
                       -Leo Cherne


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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Mar.-08)

                                                          Conversation No. 379-15 (cont’d)

[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

       1972 campaign
            -Busing issue
                  -Collins
                  -Connecticut
                  -Paul Hall
            -Vietnam War issue
                  -Antiwar opposition
            -McGovern campaign
            -Voters
                  -Boston
                  -Radio speech

The White House operator talked with Colson at an unknown time between 10:46 am and 11:15
am.

[Conversation No. 379 – 15C]

[Conversation No. 32-118]

[End of telephone conversation]

       1972 campaign
            -Demonstrators in Boston
                 -Collins
                 -Mrs. Nixon
                       -Apology
                 -Democrats for Nixon

       The President’s schedule

[End of segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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Colson left at 11:15 am.
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