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Start Date: 20-Jun-1972 10:25 AM

End Date: 20-Jun-1972 11:20 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.White House operatorMorgan, Edward L.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:35:16

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:30:42

342a.mp3

342b.mp3

342c.mp3

342d.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 20, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, and Edward L. Morgan met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:25 am to 11:20 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 342-012 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 342-12
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Nov-00)



Date: June 20, 1972
Time: 10:25-11:20 am
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

     Edward L. Morgan
         -Performance
               -Cabinet officers
                    -Elliot L. Richardson
                    -Richard G. Kleindienst

     Education bill veto
         -Casper W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
               -Funding
               -Busing
         -President's proposed veto
               -Morgan’s view
         -Ehrlichman’s view
         -Richardson
               -Welfare reform
               -Higher education
               -Kenneth R. Cole, Jr.

     Welfare reform
          -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming meeting
                -Wallace F. Bennett
                -Russell B. Long
                -Richardson
                     -Abraham A. Ribicoff bill
                -James D. Hodgson
          -Democratic convention

     Higher education bill veto
         -Richardson
               -Future appointment
                     -Supreme Court
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. Nov-00)
                                                         Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)

Supreme Court ruling on wiretapping
     -Votes of members
     -The President’s previous press conference
     -Number of taps
          -John F. Kennedy
          -Robert F. Kennedy
     -Public relations
          -Possible statement
          -Domestic groups
                 -Administration actions
                 -Involvement with foreign governments
                     -National security
     -Possible White House statement on wiretapping
          -The President’s view
          -Number of taps
                 -Reduction
                       -John Kennedy Administration
                            -Robert Kennedy
                 -Limitations
                       -Nixon Administration
                            -National security
          -The President’s view
                 -Public perception
          -Ehrlichman
          -Possible language
          -J. Edgar Hoover
          -L. Patrick Gray, III
          -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
          -Kleindienst
          -John Kennedy
          -Robert Kennedy
                 -Number of taps

Higher education veto
    -Funding
          -Weinberger
          -Richardson
          -The President’s view
          -Daniel P. Moynihan
          -Robert H. Finch
          -Southern schools
    -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming briefing
                                        24

                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. Nov-00)
                                                            Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)

           -The President’s forthcoming briefing
           -Busing
     -Press conference
           -President's concern
     -Haldeman
     -Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Edith Efron’s book
     -Press
           -The President’s view
     -Press conferences
           -Kennedy
           -Lyndon B. Johnson
           -Congressional leaders
     -Press
           -Timing of Ehrlichman’s briefing
     -Timing of signing
     -Congress
           -Busing
                 -Veto
                       -Higher education
                 -Detroit
                       -Court ruling

Swann vs. Charlotte-Mecklenburg County School Board Supreme Court decision
    -The President’s view
    -Desegregation
    -Busing
    -Warren E. Burger's opinion
    -De facto segregation
          -Racial balance requirement
               -De jure segregation
    -Stephen J. Roth
    -Robert R. Merhige
          -Richmond, Virginia
    -Roth's busing order
          -Racial balance
               -Detroit
          -De jure basis
          -Michigan politics
          -George S. McGovern

Desegregation study at Harvard University
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Nov-00)
                                                          Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)

          -Morgan's analysis
                -The President’s view
          -Original study's author
          -James S. Coleman
          -Historical background
          -Roy Wilkins
                -Meeting with Ehrlichman

     Higher education bill
         -Veto possibility
               -Ehrlichman’s view
         -Busing amendments
               -Deficiencies
         -Timing of decision
         -Provisions of bill
               -Busing
               -Higher education
               -The President’s view
         -Attorney general's opinion

     Detroit desegregation case
          -Morgan
                -Position
          -Nashville case
                -Comparison of issues
          -James G. O'Hara
                -Amendments to bill
          -Administration policy
                -Roth's response
                -Options
          -Morgan's position
                -Justice Department policy
                -Morgan’s health
                -The President’s view
                -Future work
                      -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew

The President talked with White House operator.

[Conversation No. 342-12A]

[See Conversation No. 25-72]
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Nov-00)
                                                          Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)


[End of telephone conversation]

     Higher education bill
         -Possible veto

The President talked with Morgan.

[Conversation No. 342-12B]

[See Conversation No. 25-73]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Morgan
         -Health

     Higher education bill
         -Possibility of signing
         -President's response
               -Busing
               -Kleindienst
               -Busing
                     -Assignment of lawyer

     Roth's judicial strategy [Detroit busing case]
          -Final order
                -Timing
          -Administration response
                       -Moratorium
          -Civil rights groups
          -Detroit school system
                -Roth’s possible actions
                       -Possible appeals

     Higher education bill
         -Robert P. Griffin
         -Richardson
               -Busing
                     -Tactics
               -Weinberger
               -The President’s views on busing
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. Nov-00)
                                                          Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)


    Moratorium on busing
        -Roman C. Pucinski
              -Charles H. Percy, Jr.
              -Equal Opportunities Act
                   -Committee action


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[Personal returnable]
[Duration: 14s ]


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    Higher education bill
        -Possible veto statement
        -Richardson
        -Busing
        -Ehrlichman’s view
        -The President’s view
              -Wording
                    -Judicial review
        -Griffin
        -Richardson

    Stockholm Environmental conference
         -Russell E. Train's report
              -White House Statement
         -Chinese opinion
         -United Nations [UN]

    Revenue sharing bill
        -Carl B. Albert
              -Possible letter from the President
                   -The President’s view
        -Prospects in the House
                                             28

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. Nov-00)
                                                                    Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)

          -Ehrlichman’s forthcoming meeting with Long
                -Fate of bill
                      -Funds
          -Welfare reform

     Welfare reform bill
          -Strategy
          -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
                -Lyndon B. Johnson
                -The President’s view
          -President's position
                -Changes
                      -Ehrlichman’s view
          -Richardson
                -Democratic platform
                -George S. McGovern's position
                      -Shortcomings
                -Position
                      -Shortcomings
          -Weinberger's view
          -Negotiations
                -Comparison with international diplomacy
                      -Soviet Union
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                -Comparison with labor negotiations
                -H.R. 1 as a compromise
          -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW]
          -Ribicoff

     National security
          -Problems
          -William P. Rogers
          -Melvin R. Laird
          -Rogers
                -State Department
          -Press
          -John B. Connally

[Note: The following portion of this conversation was recorded in November 1973 by the White
House and played in open court on November 27, 1973. See Record Group [RG] 21,
Miscellaneous 47-73, Exhibit 63. There is no transcript available]
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. Nov-00)
                                                     Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)

Press conferences
     -Press
           -Cabinet officers
     -Higher education
           -Ehrlichman
     -Questions
     -Format
     -The President's relations with the press
           -Response
     -Public’s view
     -Press
           -Intellectuals
           -Interviews
                 -Formats
                       -Ehrlichman
     -Benefits
           -Formats
                 -Richard A. Moore’s view
                       -The public
                 -Location
           -Press
                 -Views of intellectuals
                 -Richard M. Scammon

1972 campaign
     -Speeches
          -McGovern
                -Staff
          -Issues
                -Delivery
          -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                -Ideas
     -Democratic convention
          -Delegates
     -Media
          -White House staff
          -1968 campaign
                -Hubert H. Humphrey
                -Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak
                -James Keogh’s view
          -Godfrey Sperling, Jr.
                -McGovern
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                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Nov-00)
                                                                    Conv. No. 342-12 (cont.)

                           -Humphrey

     Press stories
          -Newspapers
          -Television
          -Pentagon Papers

Ehrlichman left at 11:20 am.