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Start Date: Tuesday, March 28, 1972 8:15 PM

End Date: Tuesday, March 28, 1972 10:30 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Connally, John B.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]Sanchez, ManoloWhite House operator

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:21:44

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:22:00

327a.mp3

327b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 28, 1972, President Richard M. Nixon, John B. Connally, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Manolo Sanchez, and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:15 pm to 5:30 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 327-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 327-8

Date: March 28, 1972
Time: 3:15 pm - 5:30 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John B. Connally and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     National economy
          -Connally’s schedule
                -Previous television appearance
                     -Charts
                     -Today show
                -Forthcoming meeting with Food chain executives
                     -Giant
                     -Wage and price controls
                           -Southland Corporation
                                 -7-11 stores
                     -Earl L. Butz
                     -Herbert Stein
                     -Clifford M. Hardin [?]
                -Food prices
                     -Connally’s charts
                           -Trends
                                 -Meat prices
                     -Price Commission hearing
                           -C. Jackson Grayson, Jr.
                     -Farm organizations
                           -Connally’s forthcoming meeting with Butz
                     -Butz’s statements
                           -Connally’s view
          -Automobile sales
          -Economic indicators
          -Balance of trade
                -Trade deficit
                -Competitiveness
                     -Currency exchange rates

An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time between 3:15 pm and 5:16 pm.
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


     -Connally’s view
           -Taxes
           -US dependents in Europe
           -Possible Defense Department activities
                 -Banking activities
           -The President’s possible action
           -US banking operations overseas
                 -Compared to domestic banking
                       -New York
                       -California
                       -Ohio
                       -Texas
                 -Currency speculation
                       -Deutsche marks
                       -Yen
                 -Convertibility
                       -Suspension
                             -The President’s August 15, 1971 statement
                 -Stock market
                       -Businessmen’s confidence
     -George P. Shultz
     -Arthur F. Burns
     -Peter G. Peterson
     -Grayson
     -Herbert Stein
     -Leaks
           0Burns
-The President’s Democratic opponents
     -Issues
           -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case
           -Tax reform
           -George C. Wallace
-Tax reform
     -Connally’s efforts
           -Democrats’ intentions
                 -Raise taxes
                 -Close loopholes
                       -Mortgage interest
                       -Municipal bonds
                 -The administration’s possible response
     -Government spending
                                        15

                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


                -Congress’s possible action
                    -Family support programs
                          -Welfare
                    -The President’s view
                          -Poor
                                -Example
                          -Labor leaders
                          -Senior citizens
                          -Media
     -Inflation
     -US business competitiveness in the world
           -Japan
           -Europe
           -Trading blocs
           -Japan
           -Europe
                -Consolidation
           -The President’s view
                -Europe
                -Japan
                      -US-Soviet relation
                -The People’s Republic of China [PRC]
           -Connally’s view
                -Japan
                      -US economic capacity
                      -National Defense
           -The President’s view
                -Possible trading bloc with South America
                -Japan
                -Europeans
                      -Soviets

US foreign policy
     -Middle East
          -Jewish influence
          -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                -Response to Suez crisis in 1956
                     -Gamal Abdel Nasser
                     -The President’s view
                          -British
                          -French
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                    Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                     Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


      -Lebanon
      -Relations with Israel
           -The President’s view
                 -Harry S Truman, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson
                        Administrations and current Administration
                 -Arab nations
                        -United Arab Republic [UAR]
                        -Syria
                        -Iraq
                        -Saudi Arabia
                        -Jordan
                 -US financial support
                        -Bonds
-Soviet Union
      -Possible withdrawal from Egypt
           -Israeli territorial concessions
-US-Arab relations
      -Arab views
           -Great Britain
           -Japan
           -France
           -US
           -Soviet Union
-Democrats’ views
      -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
      -Edmund S. Muskie
-Israel
      -Occupation of territory
-Africa
      -Northern Africa
      -South Africa
      -Central Africa
           -The President’s view
      -Europeans
-Latin America
-Japan
-Indonesia
-Thailand
-India, Pakistan
-Middle East
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


     National economy
          -Federal budget
                -Balance
                -Possible cuts
          -International economy
                -The President’s forthcoming trip to the Soviet Union
          -Tax reform
                -Connally’s possible role
                      -George S. McGovern
                      -Muskie
                      -George Meany
                      -Democratic candidates
                -Democratic candidates
                      -Social security
                      -Welfare education
                      -Defense spending
                      -Tax increases
                      -Price increases
                      -Press coverage
                            -Tax reform
                            -Connally’s review
                                  -Capital gains
                                       -Stock market
                                       -Real estate
                                  -Administration’s possible actions
                                       -Congress
                                  -Capital gains
          -Trade balance
                -Foreign exchange markets

An unknown person entered and left at an unknown time between 3:15 pm and 5:16 pm.

          -Congress
          -The President’s role

     The President’s schedule
          -News
               -ITT case
               -The President’s forthcoming trip to the Soviet Union
               -Press conferences
                      -Frequency
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


                     -Television
          -Speeches
          -Televised press conferences
               -1972 election
               -Democrats

     National issues
          -Possible Republican response strategy
                -Congress
                -Republican National Committee
                -Cabinet
                -Democratic primaries
                     -Wisconsin
                -Busing


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Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:15 pm.

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:16 pm.

     ITT case
          -Richard G. Kleindienst confirmation hearing
          Peter M. Flanigan
                -Harry F. Byrd
                -William E. Brock, III
                -Charles McC. Mathias, Jr.
                -John N. Mitchell
                      -Clark MacGregor
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


               -Samuel J. Ervin, Jr.
               -Roman L. Hruska’s possible letter
                     -John D. Ehrlichman
               -Executive Session
               -William P. Rogers, Arthur K. Watson
          -Executive privilege

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:15 pm.

                -Flanigan’s possible statement
                -Kleindienst’s confirmation
                -Kissinger’s conversations with Congressional committees

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:16 pm.

               -Hruska
          -Ervin’s opposition
          -Executive privilege
               -Truman, Franklin D. Roosevelt, John .F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson
               -Separation of powers
                     -Congressmen
                     -Warren E. Burger
               -Flanigan’s possible statement
          -Witnesses’ affidavits
               -James O. Eastland
               -Harold S. Geneen’s conversations
                     -President
               -Haldeman
                     -Connally, Peter Peterson
                     -Mitchell, Spiro T. Agnew

     The President’s schedule
          -Jews
               -United Jewish appeal
                -B’nai B’rith
                -Kissinger
                -William L. Safire
                -Burns

     ITT case
          -Kleindienst’s confirmation
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/06)
                                                       Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


     -Congressional hearings
            -Strategy
            -Floor vote
     -Michael J. Mansfield’s statement, March 28th
     -Prospects
     -Possible withdrawal
     -Erwin N. Griswold
     -Kleindienst’s possible statement
            -ITT settlement
            -Withdrawal
            -Strategy
     -Congressional hearings
     -Administration’s options
     -Democrats’ intentions
     -Committee’s actions
            -Mansfield
     -Kleindienst’s possible actions
            -Withdrawal
                  -Reaction
                        -Haldeman’s view
                  -Scenarios
                        -Haldeman’s view
                             -Continued hearings
                             -Vote on the nomination
                             -Withdrawal
                  -The President’s view
                  -Connally’s view
                  -Mansfield
                        -National economy
                             -Tax reform
-The President’s possible actions
-Emoluments for individuals
     -Flanigan, Mitchell, Kleindienst
-San Diego convention
     -Contributions
-San Diego convention
     -Contributions
-Democrats’ motives
-Effect of repetition
-Kleindienst’s possible actions
-ITT settlement
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         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                    Tape Subject Log
                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                   Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


-Philip A. Hart
-Dita D. Beard memorandum
-Involvement of Mitchell and Kleindienst
-Hart’s possible actions
      -Eastland
-Haldeman’s view
      -President’s statement
-Mitchell’s views
-Robert J. Dole
-Kleindienst’s possible actions
-Senate
-Mansfield’s possible actions
      -Dole’s possible response
-Senate
      -Mansfield
      -Jack N. Anderson
            -The Administration actions
-Committee hearings
      -Eastland, Hart
      -Washington Post, New York Times
-Alternatives
-Kleindienst
-Alternatives
      -L. Patrick Gray, III
-Kleindienst’s possible actions
-Committee hearings
      -Abe Fortas’s nomination
            -Lyndon B. Johnson
            -Fortas
-Kleindienst’s possible actions
-Unknown man during Dwight D. Eisenhower’s administration
-Committee hearings
      -Effect of continuation
            -Television
            -Richard W. McLaren
            -Joseph McCarthy
            -Television
-Kleindienst’s possible actions
-Hugh Scott
      -Statement
-Connally’s conversation with John Chancellor
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


          -Joseph C. Kraft
          -Senators
                -Hruska
                -Marlow Cook
                -Membership in the committee
          -Justice Department
          -G. Harrold Carswell, [Clement F. Haynsworth, Jr.]
          -William H. Rehnquist, Lewis F. Powell, Jr.

Leadership in the US
     -The President’s previous meeting with the General Advisory Committee on Arms
           Control and Disarmament
           -John J. McCloy
           -Lauris Norstad
           -William W. Scranton
                 -The President’s view
     -Middlesex Club
     -Governors
           -Ronald W. Reagan
           -Nelson A. Rockefeller
           -Preston Smith
           -Richard B. Ogilvie
           -Milton J. Shapp
           -John J. Gilligan
           -Reubin O. Askew
           -James E. (“Jimmy”) Carter
           -Republican Governors Conference
     -William T. Cahill
     -Thomas J. Meskill
     -Senate
     -House of Representatives
           -[Carl B. Albert]
           -[[Thomas] Hale Boggs]
           -Gerald R. Ford
           -Clarence J. Brown
           -James T. Broyhill
           -Elford A. Cederburg
           -Edward J. Derwinski
           -William J. (“Jack”) Edwards
           -John N. Erlenborn
           -Louis Frey, Jr.
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


          -Jack F. Kemp
          -John H. Kyl
          -Robert H. Michel
          -Albert H. Quie
          -William A. Steiger
          -John B. Anderson
          -Barber B. Conable, Jr.
          -Richard H. Poff
          -John J. Rhodes
          -Robert C. (“Bob”) Wilson
          -Steiger
          -Kemp
          -Frey
     -Education system
     -Media
     -Vietnam War
     -“Captains of industry”
          -President of General Motors [GM]
          -President of US Steel
     -Cabinet
          -Kleindienst
          -Connally
          -Butz
          -George W. Romney
          -John A. Volpe
          -Elliot L. Richardson
          -Rogers
          -Melvin R. Laird
          -Possible changes
                -Connally’s view
                      -Necessity
     -The President’s opponents
          -Wallace
          -John N. Ashbrook, Paul N. (“Pete”) McCloskey, Jr.
     -Kleindienst

ITT case
     -Kleindienst’s confirmation
          -Committee hearings
                -Mansfield
                -Hart, Quentin Burdick, John V. Tunney
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)


                      -Hart
                            -Beard
                      -Edward M. Kennedy
                 -Administration’s position
                 -The President’s forthcoming press conference
                 -ITT settlement

Connally left at 5:16 pm.

The President left at 5:16 pm.

The President returned at an unknown time before 5:30 pm.

     Connally
         -The President’s view
         -Charles W. Colson

     ITT case
          -Kleindienst’s confirmation
               -Administration’s position
               -Press
               -Committee hearings
                     -Mitchell
               -Duration
                     -Washington Post
                     -Possible allegations of cover-up
                     -Length
                     -Strategy

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 5:16 pm and
5:30 pm.

[Conversation No. 327-8A]

[See Conversation No. 22-37]

[End of telephone conversation]

           -Haldeman’s possible conversations with Colson and MacGregor

Haldeman left at 5:30 pm.
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 327-8 (cont.)