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Start Date: Friday, October 29, 1971 7:20 PM

End Date: Friday, October 29, 1971 9:16 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.White House operatorShultz, George P.Sanchez, Manolo[Unknown person(s)]Whitaker, John C.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:42:36

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:32:30

302a.mp3

302b.mp3

NARA Description:

On October 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, White House operator, George P. Shultz, Manolo Sanchez, unknown person(s), and John C. Whitaker met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:20 pm to 5:16 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 302-018 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 302-18

Date: October 29, 1971
Time: 3:20 pm - 5:16 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

     The President's previous telephone call to Nelson A. Rockefeller
          -Robert H. Finch's forthcoming trip to Latin America
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


    Robert L. Kunzig
        -Role in administration
               -Possible judgeship
               -The President’s view
        -The President's schedule
               -Role in administration

    Judicial appointments
         -Confirmation possibilities
         -Kunzig
               -General Services Administration [GSA]
               -Possible appointment

    Louis P. Harris poll
         -Charles W. Colson's conversation with the President
         -Edmund S. Muskie
         -Press coverage


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 54s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1

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    Eugene C. Patterson
        -Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
        -Activities
        -Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


    Washington Post
        -Staff changes
        -Paul R. Ignatius
        -Benjamin C. Bradlee
              -Edward M. Kennedy

    Patterson
          -Forthcoming meeting with Ehrlichman

    The President's People's Republic of China [PRC] initiative
         -Effect on colleges

    Harris poll
         -Muskie
                -Youth
                -Statement on black Vice President
                      -Effect

    Patterson

    Washington Post
        -Staff changes
              -Bradlee
              -Patterson

    Kunzig

    Welfare Reform [HR 1]


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 57s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2

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                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)



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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 53s ]


    INTELLIGENCE


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3

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    Welfare Reform [HR 1]
         -Russell B. Long's activities
              -Michael J. Mansfield
         -Abraham A. Ribicoff's group
              -Program
                    -Elliot L. Richardson's reaction
                          -Ehrlichman's conversation with Richardson
         -The President's possible veto

    Government reorganization
        -Department of Community Development
             -Prospects
             -George W. Romney, John A. Volpe, James D. Hodgson
             -Clifford M. Hardin
             -Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr.'s memorandum
                   -The President's schedule
                        -Romney, Volpe, Hodgson, Krogh, Ehrlichman
             -Possible activities of Colson and Clark MacGregor

    Hardin
         -Possible successor
              -Clayton K. Yeutter
                    -Reactions of Clarence D. Palmby and J. Phil Campbell
                    -Mandate
              -Palmby
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


          -Requirements
          -Donald E. Johnson

Personnel
     -William H. Rehnquist
     -Future Supreme Court appointments
           -Woman
           -William French Smith
           -William O. Douglas
     -Rehnquist
           -Confirmation activities
                 -Leonard Garment's conversation with Ehrlichman
                 -Views
     -Lewis F. Powell
           -Confirmation activities
           -Birch Bayh
           -Story, October 29, 1971 regarding finances

Lawyers' compensation
    -Richmond
    -New York
    -Seattle

Personnel
     -Future Supreme Court appointments
          -Douglas, Thurgood Marshall
          -Young man in Philadelphia
          -Black woman in Chicago
               -Warren E. Burger's possible reaction
          -Rehnquist
          -Current federal judges
          -David R. Young, John W. Dean III

Research and development
     -Jeb Stuart Magruder
     -Desalinization
           -Technology
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


           -Cost
           -William E. Kriegsman, Office of Science and Technology
           -Unknown man's activities

Patrick J. Buchanan
      -Memorandum
      -Conversation with John P. Sears
      -Views on Value added tax [VAT]
            -Proposal regarding property tax and education
            -Aid to parochial schools

Aid to parochial schools

VAT
      -Buchanan's view
      -Real estate tax
      -Education

Presidency
     -Popular expectations
           -Blacks, environment, education
     -The President's handling
           -The President's handling
           -The President's opponents' views

VAT
      -Buchanan's view
      -Federal budget
           -Education
           -Caspar W. Weinberger, George P. Shultz
                 -Possible cuts
                 -Conversations with Ehrlichman and Edwin L. Harper
           -Balance
      -Richard A. Moore's analysis
      -Value to Catholics
      -Knights of Columbus
           -Peter J. Brennan
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


           -Polls
           -William F. (“Billy”) Graham
           -The President's schedule
      -John Cardinal McIntyre

Research and development
     -Cost
           -Magruder
                -Dr. Edward E. David
                -Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
     -Use of funds

Urban development
    -Ehrlichman's previous meeting with the President and John R. Price
    -Financing
          -Congressional prospects
    -John F. Kennedy's accomplishments
    -Lyndon B. Johnson's accomplishments
    -The President's accomplishments

The President's administration
     -Compared to previous administrations
     -Accomplishments
          -Environment
          -Revenue sharing
          -Government reorganization
          -Health coverage
          -1972 election

VAT
      -Buchanan
           -Analysis of VAT
      -Charles W. Colson's views
           -Political benefit
      -John B. Connally's views
      -John N. Mitchell's views

Federal budget
     -Political concerns
     -Shultz's budget review
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                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


     National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
          -Administration
               -Magruder's views

     Cabinet
          -Henry A. Kissinger
               -William P. Rogers
          -Volpe
               -Schedule
                     -Italy
               -Airplane
          -Transportation Department
               -Lyndon B. Johnson's efforts

     Unknown committee

     Supreme Court appointments
          -Confirmation hearings
               -Rehnquist
               -Powell
          -Federal Bureau of Investigations [FBI] investigation

     J. Edgar Hoover
          -Term in office

     United Nations [UN] vote on PRC
          -Hugh Scott
          -Israel
          -South Africa

     Health of Stewart J.O. And Joseph W. Alsop

     Stewart Alsop
          -Conversation with Ehrlichman
               -VAT
               -Connally
               -Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak's story
                    -Spiro T. Agnew's statement to Samuel L. Devine's group

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 3:20 pm and
4:10 pm.
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)



[Conversation No. 302-18A]

[See Conversation No. 13-37]

     Request for a call to George P. Shultz

[End of telephone conversation]

     Agnew
         -Statement to Devine's group
               -1972 ticket
         -Alsop's view

The President talked with George P. Shultz between 4:10 pm and 4:11 pm.

[Conversation No. 302-18B]

[See Conversation No. 13-38]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Agnew
         -Alsop's view

     Stewart Alsop
          -Views regarding Connally

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 4:11 pm.

     Dog

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 4:17 pm.

     Stewart Alsop
          -Conversation with Ehrlichman
               -Lyndon B. Johnson's relationship with John F. Kennedy and Robert F.
                    Kennedy
                    -Joseph Alsop

     Rogers
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                      Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


           -The President's conversation with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                -Forthcoming visit to PRC
                      -Kissinger's views
           -Kissinger's views

     Johnson's relationship with John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy

     Stewart Alsop
          -Conversation with Ehrlichman
               -Connally
               -Johnson's relationship with John Kennedy and Robert Kennedy
          -Views regarding John Kennedy

     Robert Kennedy

     Edward Kennedy
         -Africa

George P. Shultz entered at 4:15 pm.

     Request for Manolo Sanchez

Ehrlichman left at 4:17 pm.

     Rockefeller
         -Forthcoming telephone call from Shultz
               -Finch's forthcoming trip to Latin America
                    -Import surcharge
         -Conversation with the President
               -Canadian negotiations

     Import surcharge
         -Japanese negotiations
         -Timing of Finch's forthcoming trip

     Finch's forthcoming trip to Latin America
          -Postponement
          -Rockefeller's previous trips
          -Timing
                 -Rogers
                 -Shultz's possible conversation with Mitchell
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


          -Import surcharge
          -Itinerary
                -Luis Echeverria
          -Connally

     Arthur F. Burns

     International economy
           -France
           -Burns's view

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 4:17 pm.

     Refreshments

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 4:55 pm.
     Shultz's schedule
          -Peter G. Peterson
          -Kissinger
                 -Europe
                      -Burns
                      -Georges J.R. Pompidou

     Common Market
        -Great Britain

     Quadriad meeting
         -Shultz's forthcoming memorandum for the President
               -Peter M. Flanigan
               -Paul W. McCracken
               -Connally
         -Burns

     Policy development
          -Germany
          -Canada
          -Latin America

     Latin America
           -Finch's forthcoming trip
           -The President's conversation with Rockefeller
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


          -Import surcharge
               -Canadian negotiations

Burns
     -Conversation with Shultz
     -Meeting with the President, October 29, 1971
     -Statistics
     -Conversation with the President, October 29, 1971
           -Federal Reserve
     -Conversation with Shultz
     -Milton Friedman's views of policies
     -Role in administration
     -Money supply
           -Interest rates
     -Schedule
           -Quadriad

International economy
      -Peterson's role in administration
      -The President's schedule
            -Shultz, proposed meeting with Peterson and Connally
            -Kissinger
            -Peterson
                  -Connally
                  -Paul A. Volcker
            -Peterson, Connally, Shultz
      -Connally's views
            -Japan
            -Undeveloped nations
            -Europe
            -Canada
            -Europe
                  -Germany
                  -France
      -Kissinger
      -Willy F. Brandt
      -Pompidou
      -Kissinger

Burns
     -Role in administration
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


          -Money supply
               -Interest rates
          -Views on national economy

     Federal Reserve
          -Interest rates
          -Appointments
                -Unknown man
                -Burns's views
                -Connally's views
                -Earl Cox [?]
                      -Position with World Bank

     Herbert Stein
          -University of Virginia
          -Possible role in administration

     Federal Reserve
          -Appointments
               -Burns's views
               -Stein
               -Law firms' management
               -Hospitals' management
               -Stein
          -Burns
          -Money supply

     Memorandum from the President
        -Shultz's preparation

     Peterson
          -Treasury Department

     Budget review
         -Weinberger
         -Defense Department
         -California
         -Timing
         -General revenue sharing

The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:11 pm and
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


4:55 pm.

[Conversation No. 302-18C]

[See Conversation No. 13-39]

     Request for a call to John C. Whitaker

[End of telephone conversation]

     George Meany

The President talked with John C. Whitaker between 4:55 pm and 4:56 pm.

[Conversation No. 302-18D]

[See Conversation No. 13-40]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Soviet grain deal
          -Shultz's meeting with Colson and Whitaker
          -Longshoremen's action
                -New Orleans
                      -Injunction

     Meany
         -Goals
         -Pay Board action on wage contracts

     Pay Board
          -Possible action on wage contracts
               -Arnold R. Weber
               -Meany's views
               -Effect of freeze
               -British experience
               -Meany's views
               -Friedman's article in New York Times, October 29, 1971
               -Meany's views
                     -Shultz's forthcoming conversation with Weber
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 302-18 (cont.)


     Price Commission and Pay Board
           -Operation
           -Importance
                -Productivity
                -Collective bargaining

     National economy
          -Profits
          -Burns's view
          -Industrial plant
                -Build up during 1960's
                -Age
          -Inventories
          -Consumer spending
          -Polls
          -The President's forthcoming memorandum

     The President's schedule
          -Shultz, Josip Broz Tito

     Tito

The President and Shultz left at 5:16 pm.