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Start Date: 11-Nov-1971 11:29 AM

End Date: 11-Nov-1971 1:16 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.[Unknown person(s)]White House operatorSonnenfeldt, Helmut ("Hal")

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:05:52

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 01:49:11

298a.mp3

298b.mp3

298c.mp3

NARA Description:

On November 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Henry A. Kissinger, unknown person(s), White House operator, and Helmut ("Hal") Sonnenfeldt met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 11:29 am to 1:16 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 298-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 298-5

Date: November 11, 1971
Time: 11:29 am - 1:16 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     William L. Safire

     Patrick J. Buchanan

     Safire
           -Compared to Buchanan

     Recent ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery
         -Unknown soldier
                -Anniversary
         -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                -Korean War

Henry A. Kissinger entered at 11:31 am.

          -Honor guard
              -Unknown member

     Education
                                         4

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                                  Tape Subject Log
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                                                                 Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


     -Writing
          -Books
     -Discipline
          -Staff
                 -Speechwriting
                 -Intelligence
                 -Teachers
     -Curriculum

Vietnam
     -Cornell University study
          -Author
                 -The Economist
          -Bombing
                 -Figures cited
                       -1966, 1967
                       -1968
                             -Peter M. Flanigan
                 -The Administration’s efforts
     -Casualties
          -Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS] story
                 -News summary
          -World War I
                 -British casualties
                       -March 21, 1918
                 -World War II
                 -British, German, French
     -Kissinger's conversation with Henry A. Grunwald of Newsweek
          -People's Republic of China [PRC] and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
                 [USSR]
                 -Aid to North Vietnam
     -North Vietnam
          -Possible post-war period
     -Kissinger's conversation with Newsweek staff, November 9, 1971
          -Grunwald
          -Press
                 -Vietnam as issue
          -The Administration
                 -Staff
          -Clark MacGregor's statements
     -Melvin R. Laird
                                             5

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                                      Tape Subject Log
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         -Election
         -Use of US volunteers
              -Compared to draftees

    The President's schedule
         -Forthcoming press conference
         -[Earl L. Butz]

    Secretary of Agriculture
         -Clifford M. Hardin


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    Cabinet
         -John N. Mitchell
         -Elliot L. Richardson
         -John B. Connally

    Latin America
          -Trip
                -Robert H. Finch
                     -Conversation with Kissinger
                     -Charles A. Meyer

    The President's schedule
         -Georges J.R. Pompidou
         -French possessions
         -Canary Islands
         -Europe
         -Willy Brandt
                                          6

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                                   Tape Subject Log
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                                                                 Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


          -Key Biscayne
                 -Compared to Chicago
                       -Accommodations
     -Europe
          -Economics
     -Pompidou
     -Virgin Islands
     -French possessions
          -Martinique
     -Europe
          -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO] meeting
          -Kissinger's previous conversation with Arthur K. Watson
                 Economics
                 Mutual and Balanced Force Reduction [MBFR]
                       -State Department
     -Pompidou
          -Possible message from the President
          -French Guiana
          -Martinique
          -Guadeloupe
          -San Martin
     -Possible state visit
     -Unknown Ambassador
     Chief of mission’s meeting
          -William P. Rogers's view
          -Pompidou
     -Brandt
     -Forthcoming announcement
     -Edward R.G. Heath
          -Bermuda
     -Pompidou
     -Separate meetings
     -Brandt
          -Chicago
                 -State Street
          -The President’s trip to Berlin

International monetary situation
      -Japan
           -Connally
                                              7

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                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
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         -Brandt

    The President’s schedule
         -Trips
              -Summarized
                     -Key Biscayne
         -Heath
              -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with The Earl of Cromer
         -Pompidou
              -Possible message
         -Foreign visits
              -Possible demonstrations
                     -Netherlands
                          -Japan
                     -France
         -Europe
              -Timing
                     -USSR and PRC trips

    International monetary situation
          -Connally
          -Arthur F. Burns's view
                -Price of gold
                      -Speculation
          -Peter G. Peterson
                                            8

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                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                             Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


         -George P. Shultz
         -Connally
               -Shultz
         -Price of gold
               -Convertability
                     -US responsibility
         -Connally's views
               -International system
                     -Structural reform
               -Past grievances
               -Balance of trade
               -West Germans
                     -Defense Minister [Helmut Schmidt]
         -Possible US action
               -Possible consequences


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         -Western Europe
         -Texans
              -Connally and Lyndon B. Johnson
         -The President's methodology
              -Burns
                    -Methodology
              -The President's schedule
                    -Europeans
                                            9

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                                   Tape Subject Log
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         -Kissinger's role
         -Shultz's role
               -Phase II
         -Peterson
               -Staff
               -Position papers
               -Textiles
                     -Eisaku Sato
         -Connally, Shultz and Burns
               -Strategic outlook
         -Kissinger's conversation with Shultz, November 10, 1971
         -Kissinger's forthcoming conversation with Connally
               -The President’s schedule
                     -Connally
         -Trade
               -As percentage of Gross National Product [GNP]
         -Basis for decision
               -Peterson and Shultz
         -Connally
               -Views
                     -Trade
                           -US corporate activities
               -Paul A. Volcker
               -Staff
                     -International Monetary Fund [IMF] meeting
                     -Paper
                           -Volcker
         -Peterson
                                            10

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                                    Tape Subject Log
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                                                                        Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


               -The President’s schedule
         -White House staff
               -Shultz and Roy L. Ash
               -National Security Council [NSC]
         -Politics
               -Shultz
         -Peterson


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               -Staff papers
               -Possible role with administration
                     -Commerce Department
                     -John N. Mitchell
         -Flanigan
         -Connally
               -Peterson
               -Flanigan
               -[Richard V. Allen]
               -Flanigan
                     -Shultz, Kissinger
         -Peterson
               -Conversation with Haldeman, November 11, 1971
                     -Connally
                     -Shultz
               -Views regarding Connally’s position on convertability
         -Convertability
               -France
               -Connally
         -Connally
                                             11

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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


                -Shultz
                -Forthcoming conversation with Kissinger
          -Price of gold
                -Rogers's conversation with the President
                      -Meeting with businessmen
          -US program
                -Connally
                      -Views
                      -Forthcoming speech
                           -New York Economic Club
                           -Connally’s schedule
                                -Phase II
                           -Charls E. Walker

     Kissinger's schedule
          -Japanese ambassador
          -Gerard C. Smith

Kissinger talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 11:31 am and 12:50 pm.

[Conversation No. 298-5A]

     Smith

     Japanese ambassador [Nobuhiko Ushiba]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Peterson
          -Role with administration
               -Haldeman's forthcoming conversation with Mitchell
                      -Commerce Department
          -Shultz's schedule
               -Nassau, Jamaica
          -Possible role with administration
          -Connally
          -Shultz, Kissinger
          -Bureaucracy
          -Activities
               -Congress
                      -Wilbur D. Mills
                                        12

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                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                               Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


     -Papers
          -Distribution
     -Possible role with administration
          -Commerce Department
                -Mitchell
                -Harvard School of Business
                -David Rockefeller
     -Meeting with Katharine L. Graham

Washington Post
    -New president [John S. Prescott, Jr.]
         -Philadelphia Inquirer

Graham
     -Conversation with Kissinger
         -The President's demeanor
               -Forthcoming election
                    -New York

Peterson
     -Possible role with administration
          -Secretary of Commerce
          -Haldeman's forthcoming conversation with Mitchell

Maurice H. Stans
    -Tenure in office
          -Mitchell's view
          -USSR trip
          -Mitchell
               -Views
               -Forthcoming position
          -The President's candidacy
               -Nelson A. Rockefeller
          -Haldeman's forthcoming conversation with Mitchell
               -Richard G. Kleindienst

Mitchell
     -Tenure in office

The President's schedule
     -Pompidou
                                              13

                            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


                -Paris
          -Europe
                -Rogers's schedule
          -Jamaica
                -Rogers
          -Latin America
                -Meetings
                      -Panama
                           -Highway
                           -Darrien Gap
                           -Colombia
                           -Mexico
          -Jamaica

Kissinger talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 11:31 am and 12:50 pm.

[Conversation No. 298-5B]

     Request to speak with an unknown person

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting with European leaders
               -Purpose
                      -The President’s forthcoming trips
          -Unknown person's schedule
          -Pompidou
          -Europe
               -Rogers

Kissinger talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 11:31 am and
12:50 pm.

[Conversation No. 298-5C]

[See Conversation No. 14-35]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
                                              14

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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


          -Unknown Ambassador
              -Message

     Congress
         -Schedule
              -Rogers

Kissinger talked with Helmut Sonnenfeldt at an unknown time between 11:31 am and 12:50 pm.

[Conversation No. 298-5d]

[See Conversation No. 14-36]

The President and Haldeman continued their conversation during the telephone call.

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President’s schedule
          -Sonnenfeldt's efforts
          -The President's conversation with Rogers, November 10, 1971
               -Forthcoming trip to PRC
                      -Preparation
                           -PRC
                           -Mao Tse-tung
          -Brandt
          -Pompidou
          -Europe
               -Possible problems
          -Pompidou
          -Announcements
               -Timing
               -Secretary of Agriculture
               -Secretary of Agriculture
                      -Hardin
                           -Wife, Martha L. (Wood) Hardin
                      -Mary E. (Powell) Butz
                      -Press coverage
                           -Television
                      -[Vietnam]
          -NSC meeting
               -The President's involvement
                                              15

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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


               -Agenda
                     -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
               -Smith
               -Rescheduling
          -Press conference
               -Ronald L. Ziegler's schedule
               -Handling
                     -Ziegler

Haldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 11:31 am and
12:50 pm.

[Conversation No. 298-5E]

[See Conversation No. 14-37]

[End of telephone conversation]

     The President's schedule
          -Vietnam announcement
               -Timing
                      -NSC meeting
               -Location
                      -Technical considerations
                           -Press Room
                           -Oval Office
                                  -Pool camera
                           -Press Room
               -Timing
                      -Press follow-up
               -Location
               -Congressional reaction
               -NSC meeting
               -Duration
                      -Ziegler's possible conversation with Frank Cormier
               -Timing

Haldeman left at 12:50 pm.

     Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawals
                             16

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                     Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                      Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


-Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
     -Conversation with Laird
-Forthcoming announcement
     -Timing
           -Rogers’s view
     -Rogers
           -Relationship with Kissinger
                 -Berlin
                 -Negotiations
           -Conversation with Laird
     -Timing
           -Negotiations with North Vietnam
           -Congress's possible reaction
     -Residual forces
-Possible January 1972 announcement
     -Residual forces
     -Draftees
           -Volunteers
     -Ground combat
     -The President's trip to PRC
           -Congress
     -Negotiations with North Vietnam
           -Disclosure
           -Residual force
                 -Prisoners of war [POWs]
           -Peace proposals
                 -Terms
                 -Forthcoming announcements
                       -Timing
-Level
-Forthcoming announcement
     -Laird's views
           -Paper
           -Timing
           -Possible motives
     -Rogers's views
           -Timing of announcements
                 -1972 campaign
                 -State of the Union Address
           -John Foster Dulles's meetings with Dwight D. Eisenhower
           -Kissinger's conversation with Haig
                                              17

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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                                                                      Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


                                  -Laird
          -Richardson Dilworth
          -Joseph R. (“Dick”) Dilworth
               -Nelson A. Rockefeller

Haldeman talked with the President between 1:01 pm and 1:02 pm.

[Conversation No. 298-5F]

[See Conversation No. 14-38]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -Joseph Dilworth and wife, Elizabeth (Cushing) Dilworth

     Kissinger's schedule
          -[Nobuhiko Ushiba]

Kissinger talked with an unknown person in his office at an unknown time between 1:02 pm and
1:16 pm.

[Conversation No. 298-5G]

     Request for a call to the Japanese ambassador
         -Kissinger's schedule

[End of telephone conversation]

     Vietnam
          -Joseph and Mrs. Dilworth
                -Conversation with Kissinger
                     -The President's actions
          -As issue
          -Grunwald
                -Conversation with Kissinger, November 10, 1971
                     -Morality
          -The President's forthcoming announcement
                -The President's demeanor

     United Nations [UN] vote on Taiwan, Republic of China
                                           18

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                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                        Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


          -Effect
          -Grunwald's views
          -Senate

    Foreign aid program
         -Rogers's conversation with the President, November 10, 1971
         -Senate vote

    India-Pakistan relations
          -Aid
          -State Department
          -John F. Kennedy


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          -The President's schedule
               -Connally's schedule
          -Foreign Secretary Sultan Khan
               -Message

    Vietnam
         -Troop withdrawal
              -The President’s November 3, 1969 speech
              -Kissinger’s conversation with Haig, November 10, 1971
              -Future announcements
         -Negotiations
              -Rogers's knowledge
                                             19

                      NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)


                 -Laird
                 -Haig
     -Bombing
     -Blockade
     -POWs
          -Nguyen Van Thieu
          -1972 campaign
          -Negotiations with North Vietnam
               -Troop withdrawal
               -Record

November 9, 1971 dinner
    -Nelson A. Rockefeller
         -Speech
    -The President's speech
         -Rogers
    -Attendees
         -Bernard J. (“Bunny”) Lasker
    -Rockefeller
         -Conversation with Kissinger, November 10, 1971

The President's foreign policy
     -Laird
     -The President's opponents
          -Unknown reporter
     -Vietnam
          -Troop withdrawal
                 -Forthcoming announcement

Rogers's schedule
    -Europe
           -Rogers
                -New York Times
                -John N. Irwin, II's [?] trip
                     -Arthur K. Watson's conversation with Kissinger

The President's schedule
     -Forthcoming NSC meeting
          -Agenda
                 -European security
                 -India-Pakistan relations
                                               20

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                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                                  Conv. No. 298-5 (cont.)



     Kissinger's schedule
          -Possible backgrounder

     Rogers
         -Schedule
               -Council on Foreign Relations
         -Role

     1972 election

     Appointments
         -Robert C. Seamans, Jr.
               -Possible role with administration
         -David Packard
         -Seamans
               -Laird
         -Dr. Curtis W. Tarr
         -Seamans
         -Packard

Kissinger left at 1:16 pm.