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Start Date: Friday, September 10, 1971 7:03 PM

End Date: Friday, September 10, 1971 7:51 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:01:22

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:41:00

276a.mp3

276b.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 10, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:03 pm to 3:51 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 276-004 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 276-4

Date: September 10, 1971
Time: 3:03 pm - 3:51 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

     Refreshments

     Environment
          -Offshore oil drilling
               -Santa Barbara Sound
                     -Offshore oil leases
                     -Rogers C. B. Morton
                     -William T. Pecora
                     -Drilling
                     -Responsibilities
                            -Offshore oil
                            -Jobs
                                  -Amount of cash flow
                                        -Local economy
                            -Existing lessees
                                  -Additional drilling
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                NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


           -California
                 -Moratorium on leasing and drilling
                       -Santa Barbara Channel
           -Administration policy
                 -Moratorium
                       -Two-year freeze
                             -Drilling
                                    -Exceptions
           -Department of the Interior
                 -Proposals
                 -Los Angeles Times
                       -Headline
                             -Santa Barbara drilling
           -John C. Whitaker
           -Robert H. Finch
                 -Political effect of government action
                       -California
           -Options
                 -Denial of permits
                       -Suits by oil companies
           -Legal advice
                 -Lessees
                       -Union Oil Company
                       -Sun Oil Company
                 -Observers familiar with issue
                       -Possible result of suits
                       -[Fred L.?] Hartley
                             -Possible administration response
                                    -Political problem
                                    -Suit
                 -Redress
-Environmental arguments
     -Drilling
     -Geologists
     -Whitaker
     -Public opinion
-Council on Environmental Quality
     -Position on drilling
           -Report
                 -Dr. Lee A. DuBridge's committee
                       -Drilling in the Santa Barbara Channel
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


                -Public opinion
                     -Problem
                           -Public relations
                                -Possible poll
                                -Los Angeles Times
                                       -Circulation area
                                             -Los Angeles County, Orange County
                                             -Santa Barbara, Ventura
                                       -Southern California
                                             -San Diego
                                             -Geologists

Site for Nixon Presidential Library
      -Nixon Foundation land
            -San Clemente
            -Surveys of land
            -Legislation
                 -Clark MacGregor
                 -General Services Administration [GSA]
                       -Site for presidential library
                             -GSA and the National Archives
                 -Nixon Foundation
                       -Construction of building
                             -Improvements
            -Lyndon B. Johnson Library
                 -Ownership of land
                       -GSA
                       -State
            -GSA
                 -Administration of buildings
                       -Personnel
                       -Maintenance and services
            -Ownership of building
            -Land on beach
            -Meeting of trustees of the Nixon Foundation
                 -Selection of site
            -Meeting with F. Edward Hèbert
            -Legislation
            -Whittier College

Medicine
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/06)
                                                                 Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


     -Jack J. Dreyfus, Jr.
           -Telephone calls
                 -New medicine
                       -DPH [Diphenylhydantoin anticonvulsant]
           -Finch
           -Degree of federal co-operation
           -Finch
           -Dr. W. Kenneth Riland
           -Dreyfus's conversations with Dr. Walter R. Tkach
           -Drug
                 -Use
                       -Epilepsy
                       -Dreyfus
           -Effects
     -Dreyfus's involvement in research
     -Tkach
           -Use of drug
                 -Effect
     -Finch
           -Tkach
                 -Dreyfus
           -Elliot L. Richardson
                 -Dr. Sidney P. Marland, Jr.

Research and Development [R&D]
     -Briefing
           -William M. Magruder
     -Length of briefing
     -Meeting of the Domestic Council
           -Time
     -Timetable
     -Private sector
     -Dr. Edward E. David, Jr.
     -Peter G. Peterson
     -Media interest
           -Reaction to the President's speech, September 9, 1971
                 -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
           -Peter Lisagor
           -Charles L. Bartlett
           -Announcing ideas and programs to the public
                 -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)



Budget
    -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
          -Support
    -Ehrlichman
    -Dialogue with farmers
          -Rural development
                -Hubert H. Humphrey
    -Model cities
    -Peace Corps
    -Volunteers in Service to America [VISTA]
    -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
    -Ehrlichman
          -Bill for reduction
    -Economy
          -Grievances
          -Benefits
    -Weinberger
    -Problems
    -Reduction of government
    -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon and the President's drive to Capitol Hill
          -Number of federal employees
    -Five per cent personnel cut
          -Government
                -William M. Magruder
                      -Traffic safety
                      -Highway fatalities
                      -Design for stop signs
                      -Anti-collision devices
                -Government
                      -Governors
                      -Congress
                      -Parochial interests

Magruder
    -Congress
    -Work
         -Magruder's staff
               -Committee meetings
    -The President's speech
    -The press
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                  Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


           -NASA
           -Supersonic transport [SST]
Pentagon Papers
     -Congressional hearings
           -Status of progress on report
     -Robert C. Mardian, Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr., David R. Young
     -Congressional committee
           -Control of scope
     -Henry A. Kissinger
           -Relations with Leslie H. Gelb, Morton H. Halperin, Daniel Ellsberg
                 -Outcome of investigation
     -Kissinger
           -Concern
                 -Attacks
                 -Repression
     -Pentagon Papers issue
     -Ellsberg
           -Investigation
                 -Paul H. Nitze
                 -Gelb
                 -Halperin
     -Nitze
     -Secret documents
           -National Archives
           -Deposit
                 -Nitze, Gelb, Halperin
           -Ehrlichman's forthcoming actions
                 -Robert L. Kunzig, Administrator [GSA]
                            -Archivist of the United States
                       -Documents
                 -Storage and safekeeping
                       -Agreement
                            -Access to documents
                       -Safe-deposit box analogy
           -Nitze
                 -Clark M. Clifford
                       -Discussion of issue

Krogh’s and Young’s schedule
    -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman's office
          -Ehrlichman's telephone call
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                         (rev. 10/06)
                                                                    Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)



The President left at an unknown time after 3:03 pm.

Ehrlichman talked with Haldeman at an unknown time between 3:03 pm and 3:51 pm.

     Meeting with Krogh and Young
          -Time
          -Location
          -Ehrlichman's location
                -Question

Ehrlichman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:03 pm and 3:51 pm.

     Request for Krogh

     Pentagon Papers
          -Halperin
          -Gelb
          -Nitze

[End of telephone conversation]

The President returned at an unknown time before 3:51 pm.

           -Paul Warnke
                 -Nitze
                 -Clifford
                 -Position at Department of Defense
                       -Clifford
           -Congressional investigation
                 -Memorandum
                 -Richardson
                       -Cooke episode
                             -Ellsberg
                 -J. William Fulbright
                       -Hearings
                             -Johnson decisional process
                             -Administration's participation
                                   -Witnesses
                             -White House staff
                                   -Effort
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/06)
                                                            Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


-Administration's strategy
     -Media release
-Declassification of documents as response
-Edward M. Kennedy
-Sources of leaks and information
-Democrats
     -Fulbright
            -Hearings
-Declassified version of the Pentagon Papers
     -Congress
-Kissinger
     -Acquaintances
     -Gelb, Halperin
     -Appearance at congressional hearings
     -Dilemma
            -Self-defense
                  -Immunity
-Nitze
     -Ehrlichman's forthcoming conversation with the President
     -Ehrlichman's conversation with Haldeman
            -Documents
-Journalists
     -Surveillance
     -New York Times
            -William Beecher
                  -Tad Szulc
     -Ehrlichman's forthcoming conversation with Haldeman
     -Beecher
     -Szulc
     -Surveillance
            -Within the government
     -Identity of contact
            -Department of Defense
            -State Department
            -Hired by Nixon Administration
     -Paris bureau

Leaks
     -Henry M. ("Scoop") Jackson's office
          -Beecher
     -Edmund S. Muskie
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                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


              -Jackson
                    -Department of Defense contacts
              -Ehrlichman's forthcoming conversation with Haldeman

    The Economy
         -The President's speech, September 9, 1971
               -Public reaction
         -Phase II
         -The President's meeting with union leaders
               -Cooperation
                     -Union leaders' position
                           -Public support
         -Democrats
         -End of 90-day freeze on prices and wages
               -Extension
                     -Inflation control
         -Phase II
         -Poor
               -Administration's efforts
               -Public opinion
               -Edward W. Brooke
               -Jobs
               -Welfare
         -National spirit
               -Reaction
                     -Youth
                           -Degree
                                 -Hardin-Simmons College
                           -Mindset
         -Work ethic
               -Parents
               -Professors
                     -Evaluation of system
               -Haldeman’s family


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                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                                     Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)




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         -Ehrlichman's family
               -Summer jobs
               -reaction
               -Arnold A. Hutschnecker
               -Effects of physical work
               -"I Remember Mama"
               -Winston S. Churchill
                     -Bricklaying hobby
               -Problems of modern society
                     -Labor-saving devices
                     -Leisure time
                     -Television

    Speechwriting
         -The President's speech, September 9, 1971
              -Quality
              -The President's delivery of speech
              -Structure of speech
                    -Outline
         -The President's conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
              -Speechwriters
                    -Price
                    -Patrick J. Buchanan
                    -William L. Safire
                    -Staff
                    -Dwight D. Eisenhower
              -"Speech doctor"
                    -Examination of speech
                          -Cheerlines
                                -Speech to Congress
         -Text of speech
              -Price
              -Safire
         -Substance
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/06)
                                                                       Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


         -Timing
         -President’s September 9 speech
               -Text on welfare program
                    -Richardson
                    -Change of system
                    -State, local governments
                          -Incentives to work
                                  -Welfare
               -Public reaction
                    -Line of text
                          -"Workfare"
                                  -Safire
               -Welfare system
                    -Provisions
               -The President's new welfare system
                    -Incentives to work
               -Text of speech
               -Speech doctor
                    -Samuel I. Rosenman
                    -Raymond C. Moley
               -Domestic Council
               -Kissinger's first drafts of speech
                    -Quality
                    -Public statement
                          -Oral delivery
                          -Written delivery
               -Speeches
                    -Staff member
                          -Rewriting and editing of speech for President
               -Economics


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 6s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
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                                     Tape Subject Log
                                       (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)


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               -Perception as dull subject
               -Required style of speech
                     -Uplifting
               -John B. Connally
                     -The President's delivery of speech
               -Arthur F. Burns
    Welfare reform
         -Eugene S. Cowen
         -Senate
         -Abraham A. Ribicoff
               -Compromise
         -Ribicoff
               -Day-care centers
                     -Riders to welfare reform bill
         -Division of support for welfare reform
               -No reform
               -Ribicoff's supporters
               -House Resolution [H. R.] 1
         -Compromise
         -Senator Russell B. Long
               -Strategy
                     -December
         -The President's meeting with Long
               -Subject of conversation
         -Long


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
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[Duration: 20s ]


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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                         Conv. No. 276-4 (cont.)



     School busing
         -Support
               -Representative Albert H. Quie
                     -Amendment
                           -Emergency school money
                           -Possible motivation
                                 -Conviction
                     -Clark MacGregor's conversation with Quie
                           -Office of Education
                                 -Technical work on legislation
                                       -Technical requirements
                                       -Control over amendment
                                            -Endorsements
                                 -Congressional request for technical assistance
         -MacGregor
         -Passing of amendment
               -Use of federal money for busing under court order
               -Southern support
         -Administration's position
               -Reiteration of past statement
                     -Use of federal money for education
                     -Connection between transportation and education
                           -Busing
                                 -Local decision
               -Possibility of amendment passing
                     -Legislation
                     -Mandate to bus
                           -Financing

Ehrlichman left at 3:51 pm.