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Conversation: 073-005

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Start Date: Monday, September 13, 1971 12:01 PM

End Date: Monday, September 13, 1971 7:07 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Cabinet officersRogers, William P.Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Rogers, Adele (Langston)Connally, John B.Connally, Idanell ("Nellie") (Brill)Laird, Melvin R.Mitchell, John N.Mitchell, Martha (Beall)Morton, Rogers C. B.Morton, Anne (Jones)Hardin, Clifford M.Hardin, Martha L. (Wood)Stans, Maurice H.Stans, KathleenHodgson, James D.Hodgson, Maria (Denend)Richardson, Elliot L.Richardson, AnneRomney, George W.Romney, Lenore L.Volpe, John A.Volpe, Jennie (Benedetto)Kennedy, David M.Kennedy, Lenora (Bingham)Shultz, George P.Shultz, Helena M. ("Obie")Finch, Robert H.Finch, Carol (Crothers)Rumsfeld, Joyce (Pierson)Bush, George H. W.Bush, Barbara (Pierce)Dole, Robert J.Fletcher, Arthur A. (Dr.)Hampton, Robert E.Hannah, John A. (Dr.)Kleppe, Thomas S.Knauer, Virginia H.Kunzig, Robert L.Lincoln, George A. (Gen.)Schlesinger, James R. (Dr.)Shakespeare, Frank J.McCracken, Paul W.Weber, Arnold R.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Ehrlichman, John D.MacGregor, ClarkTimmons, William E.Flanigan, Peter M.Peterson, Peter G.Klein, Herbert G.Price, Raymond K., Jr.Ziegler, Ronald L.Klein, Herbert G.Butterfield, Alexander P.

Recording Device: Cabinet Room

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NARA Description:

On September 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met with Cabinet officers and their wives, including William P. Rogers, Adele (Langston) Rogers, John B. Connally, Idanell ("Nellie") (Brill) (Connally), Melvin R. Laird, John N. Mitchell, Martha (Beall) Mitchell, Rogers C. B. Morton, Clifford M. Hardin, Martha L. (Wood) Hardin, Maurice H. Stans, Kathleen Stans, James D. Hodgson, Maria (Denend) Hodgson, Elliot L. Richardson, Anne Richardson, George W. Romney, Lenore L. Romney, John A. Volpe, Jennie (Benedetto) Volpe, David M. Kennedy, Lenora (Bingham) Kennedy, George P. Shultz, Helena M. ("Obie") Shultz, Robert H. Finch, Carol (Crothers) Finch, Joyce (Pierson) Rumsfeld, George H. W. Bush, Barbara (Pierce) Bush, Robert J. Dole, Dr. Arthur A. Fletcher, Robert E. Hampton, Dr. John A. Hannah, Thomas S. Kleppe, Virginia H. Knauer, Robert L. Kunzig, Gen. George A. Lincoln, Dr. James R. Schlesinger, Frank J. Shakespeare, Paul W. McCracken, Arnold R. Weber, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Peter M. Flanigan, Peter G. Peterson, Herbert G. Klein, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Ronald L. Ziegler, Herbert Stein, and Alexander P. Butterfield, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 8:01 am and 3:07 pm. The Cabinet Room taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 073-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 73-5

Date: September 13, 1971
Time: Unknown between 8:01 am and 3:07 pm
Location: Cabinet Room

Secretary and Mrs. William P. Rogers, Secretary and Mrs. John B. Connally, Melvin R. Laird,
Attorney General and Mrs. John N. Mitchell, Secretary and Mrs. Rogers C. B. Morton, Secretary
and Mrs. Clifford M. Hardin, Secretary and Mrs. Maurice H. Stans, Secretary and Mrs. James D.
Hodgson, Secretary and Mrs. Elliot L. Richardson, Secretary and Mrs. George W. Romney,
Secretary and Mrs. John A. Volpe, Ambassador and Mrs. David M. Kennedy, Director and Mrs.
George P. Shultz, Counselor and Mrs. Robert H. Finch, Mrs. Donald H. Rumsfeld, Ambassador
and Mrs. George H. W. Bush, Robert J. Dole, Dr. Arthur A. Fletcher, Robert E. Hampton, Dr.
John A. Hannah, Thomas S. Kleppe, Virginia H. Knauer, Robert L. Kunzig, General George A.
Lincoln, Dr. James R. Schlesinger, Frank J. Shakespeare, Paul W. McCracken, Arnold R. Weber,
H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, Clark MacGregor, William E. Timmons, Peter M.
Flanigan, Peter G. Peterson, Herbert G. Klein, Raymond K. Price, Jr., Ronald L. Ziegler, Herbert
Stein, and Alexander P. Butterfield met

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

The President and Patricia R. (“Pat”) Nixon entered at 8:40 am

     Television program
          -The Nixon family
          -The President’s appearance on television
          -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew’s schedule
          -Mrs. Nixon
          -Role of political wives in support of husbands

     Cabinet meeting
          -Wives present
          -Nellie Connally
          -Participation of Cabinet member’s wives in the administration
          -Women in government
          -Forthcoming foreign policy briefing for Cabinet wives

     The economy
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                          Tape Subject Log
                            (rev. 10/08)



-Pocketbook nature of issues
-Economic policy
     -Tax program
     -Import surcharge
     -Wage-price freeze
     -Jobs
     -Balancing of family budget
     -Cost of living
           -Transportation
           -Health and welfare programs
           -Education
           -Lack of jobs
           -Cost of living controls
                 -Effects on family
     -J. B. Connally’s role
           -Chairman
           -Program management responsibility
     -Trip to Europe
     -Presentation
           -Tax
           -Overview on economy
     -Presentation overview
           -Prospects for the future
           -Reasons for budget decisions
                 -Congressional vote
                        -Effect on budget
                 -Employment
                        -Budget reduction
           -Shultz’s role
           -Weber’s role
                 -Description of wage-price freeze
           -J. B. Connally
                 -Initiation of general briefing
                        -Overview of public reaction
                             -Tax description
                             -Answering criticism
                                   -William Proxmire
-Federal government
     -Reductions
     -Views of Cabinet members
           -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
                 -Budget issues
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                     Tape Subject Log
                       (rev. 10/08)



           -Implementation of New Economic Policy
                 -Containment of inflation
           -The President’s New Economic Policy
                 -Basic issues
                 -Sense of continuity
                       -Past economic policies
                 -Vietnam war winding down
                       -Release of manpower from war-related activity
                              -Military duties
                              -Defense production and procurement
                       -More people in civilian jobs
                       -Shift in expenditure patterns
                              -Money in industries
                              -Surge of inflation in the late 1960s
                              -Rate of inflation increase
                       -Inflation
                              -Present and past
                                    -Automobile industry
                                    -Expansion of the economy
                       -Wage-price freeze
                              -Control
                       -Economic developments
-Structure of economic expansion
      -Consumer’s role
           -Wall Street Journal
           -Retail sales
           -Home buying
                 -Boom
                       -Joint products
                              -Refrigerators and appliances
-Steel industry
      -Prospect of steel strike
      -The President’s meeting with steel leaders
-Sales surge
      -Business lack of inventory buildup
           -Lack of equipment buildup
      -Rebuilding of stocks
           -McCracken
                 -Economic expansion
                       -Inventory surge
                       -Strong consumer purchases
                              -Consumer savings
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                               (rev. 10/08)



                                          -Rate of spending
      -Policies
            -Monetary growth
                  -Unprecedented rate of increase
                  -Congress’s actions
                  -Strong policies
            -The President’s new policies
                  -Results
                        -International impact
                              -Revaluation of currencies
                                    -(German) Deutsche mark, Japanese yen
                                    -Temporary import surcharge
                                          -Indication of changes in terms of trade
                        -Retail sales
                              -Rising interest rates
                                    -Wage-price freeze
                                    -Loan
                                    -Rising stock prices
-West Coast strike by longshoremen
      -Settlement attempts
-The President’s program in solving strikes
      -Union members on job
-J. B. Connally
      -Program on international monetary situation
      -Old system
      -New, permanent program
      -Predictions
      -Taxes
            -Cuts
                  -Social Security
      -Less than expected revenue
      -Sum of Camp David meetings
            -Deficit
            -Tax changes
            -Maintenance of basic structure
                  -Inflation policy
                  -Wage and price controls
                  -Continuities
                  -Budget
                  -Personnel cuts
      -House of Representatives vote
            -Federal pay raises
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                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/08)



-Forthcoming governors’ conference
     -County executives
     -Mayors
     -Inflationary effects of wage increases
           -Steel industry
           -Automobiles
     -Government workers
           -Federal
           -State
           -Local
           -Inflationary wage increases
           -Governors, mayors, county executives
     -Deferral of wage increases
-”Today” show on television
     -Weber’s appearance
-90-day free
     -Effectiveness
           -Camp David meetings
           -Economic Stabilization Act of 1971 authorization
                 -Defense Production Act
                 -Presidential right to regulation
                       -Wages
                       -Salaries
                       -Rents
                       -Prices
     -August 15, 1971 freeze
           -Timing
                 -Need to prevent drastic increases in prices and wages due to prior
                       warning of forthcoming freeze
           -Compared to Korean War era
                 -Stabilization
           -Implementation machinery
                 -The President’s address
                 -Shultz
                 -Lincoln
                 -Members of OMB staff
           -Coverage of freeze
           -Staffing
                 -Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP], IRS, National
                       Aeronautics and Space Administration
                 -Department of Agriculture
                 -Department of Defense
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                         (rev. 10/08)



            -Department of Labor
            -Resources of federal government
            -Comprehensiveness of policy
      -Controls
            -Consistency
            -Equity
                  -Labor market conditions
                  -Effectiveness of freeze
            -Preparation of other policies
            -Consistency of application as critical issue
            -Effect on teacher salaries due to school recess period at time of
                  freeze imposition
-Policy decisions
      -Rental apartments
      -Deferred wage increase
      -Price increases
      -Stringency
      -Scheduled increase in pensions
            -Accommodations
                  -Apprenticeship programs
                        -Connection to productivity increase
-Revelation of freeze’s effects
-Agricultural products
-Support for the President’s programs
      -Indication of support in polls
      -Economic index
            -Stock market prices
            -Zinc
            -Burlap
            -Controlled and uncontrolled commodities
                  -Ceiling prices
      -Index of performance
            -Operational statistics
            -Transactions in economy
                  -Complaints
                        -Misunderstanding of freeze
                        -Requests for exceptions to freeze
-Present appearance of support and effectiveness
      -Phase II
      -Thaw
      -Productivity of employees
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                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/08)



Cost of Living Council meetings
     -White House staff
     -J. B. Connally’s general wrap-up
           -Taxes
           -International monetary issue
                 -International reaction
                 -World perspective
     -May 4
           -Cost of Living Council
                 -Chairman
                 -Vice Chairman
                       -Weber
     -Automobiles
           -Move from foreign to domestic cars
                 -Surveys before and after freeze
           -Polls
           -William F. (“Billy”) Graham’s conversation with the President
                 -Berkeley crusade on television
                       -Response by audience
                             -Indicator of future economy
     -News media’s attitude
           -The President’s administration
                 -Accomplishments
                       -Comparison with Democrats
                             -Congress
                 -Rate of unemployment
                       -Creation of new jobs
                       -Stimulation of economy
                 -Psychology of inflation
                       -Supply of money
                             -High interest rates
                                   -The generation of business
                       -Anticipation of inflation
                             -Beginning time of the mid-1960s
           -Trade balances
                 -US relations with others
                 -Mid-1960s
                       -Surplus
                 -Trading with profits
                 -US buying and selling
                       -History since World War II
                             -Reserves of gold
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         -Dollar standard
               -Backing for other currencies
               -Stabilization of other currencies
         -France, Italy
         -Japan
         -US losses
         -Convertibility
         -Foreign government holdings of US money
-New economic policies
    -Housing starts in construction industry
    -Reduction in inflation
    -Unemployment
    -Wage-price freeze
         -Convertibility of the dollar
    -World trade
    -Forthcoming international conference
    -Tax measures
         -Excise tax on automobiles
               -Automobile sales stimulation
                     -Economy tied to employment
               -Gross National Product
                     -Creation of new jobs
         -Executive increase
         -Personal exemptions
               -1972
               -1973
         -Job development
               -Plant expansion and modernization
                     -Expenditure on equipment
                     -Tax relief
               -International Sales Corporation
                     -US and subsidiary corporations
                           -Tax deferral
                           -Types of goods affected
                           -Quota goods
                                 -Petroleum products, beef, sugar
                                       -Congressional action
         -Consumer profits
         -Business profits
         -Farmers
         -Welfare
         -Money investment
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/08)



                                      -Job development credit
                                      -US manufacturers
                                            -World competition
                                                 -Sales taxes, value added taxes
                                                 -Japanese steel
                                                 -Comparison with US production
          -Taxes
               -Sales categories
                     -Treasury bills
                           -Decline of interest rates
                           -Telephone company in Florida
               -Control of profits
                     -Price control
                     -Gross National Product
                           -Low corporate profits
                           -Chrysler Corporation profits
                           -General Motors profits
                           -Unknown corporation
                           -1971 compared to mid-1960s
                           -Creation of jobs
          -The President’s program
               -Welfare reform
               -Revenue sharing
               -Budget preparation
                     -Tax decreases
                     -Increase of expenditures
                           -Welfare reform
                           -Revenue sharing
                     -Congress
               -Welfare reform
                     -E. L. Richardson


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     Japan

[To listen to the segment (8m) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-554.]

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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/08)



     Members of the Cost of Living Council
        -G. W. Romney
        -Rent control examples
              -Paris
              -New York
              -Housing boom
              -Meetings schedule
                    -Business group
                    -Labor leaders
                    -Agricultural leaders
                    -Consumer group
                    -State, county, and local officials
                    -Other interest groups
              -Congressional reaction
              -Media reaction
              -Polls
                    -Public support
                    -Union member support
                    -Results
                          -Congressional action
                               -Proxmire’s views
                                      -Taxes
                               -Wilbur D. Mills’ views
                          -Spending
                          -Confidence
        -Klein
              -Talk shows
              -R. H. Finch
        -Cabinet wives
              -Media exposure
              -Public reaction
        -Foreign policy


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     US responsibility

[To listen to the segment (17m49s) declassified on 02/28/2002, please refer to RC# E-554.]

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                                        (rev. 10/08)




     Photographs

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

     Cabinet members
          -Forthcoming meeting with business group
          -Arrangement of room

The President left at 10:42 am

     [General conversation/Unintelligible]

Rogers, et al. left an unknown time before 3:07 pm